A Conversation with Psychic Medium Jenson Smith —
Part 2
What happens when you realize the world is more porous than you were ever taught to believe?
In Part Two of this two-part conversation, we sit down with psychic medium Jenson Smith for an open, thoughtful discussion about how she first discovered her abilities — and what it was like to recognize that her experiences weren’t shared by everyone around her.
Part Two explores what it’s like communicating with deceased loved ones, what Jenson believes the other side is like, and how these experiences have shaped her understanding of life, death, and continuity.
🔮 About Jenson Smith
Jenson Smith is a psychic medium whose work centers on intuitive development, spirit communication, and helping others better understand their own intuitive capacities.
Her approach emphasizes grounding, discernment, and ethical responsibility — focusing not on fear or theatrics, but on connection, healing, and meaning. Jenson speaks openly about the challenges of discovering her abilities and the discipline required to work with them thoughtfully and safely.
LINKS:
https://www.jensonsmith.com/psychic-medium
IG: https://www.instagram.com/jensonperson/
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00:02 --> 00:07 [SPEAKER_02]: from the darkest reaches of space to the deepest corners of your mind.
00:09 --> 00:12 [SPEAKER_02]: Welcome to From the Void.
00:17 --> 00:19 [SPEAKER_02]: Welcome to From The Void.
00:19 --> 00:25 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm your host John Williams and and before we jump back in, I just want to take a moment to say thank you for your patience.
00:25 --> 00:29 [SPEAKER_02]: Part two of this conversation took a little longer to release than planned.
00:29 --> 00:38 [SPEAKER_02]: We've been in the middle of renovating our recording studio and office and as anyone who's ever taken on a project like that knows, it doesn't always go smoothly.
00:38 --> 00:47 [SPEAKER_02]: We had a couple of unexpected setbacks along the way, but the good news is it's finally coming together and a really glad we're able to bring you the rest of this conversation now.
00:47 --> 00:52 [SPEAKER_02]: And part one of my interview with Jensen Smith, we talked about how she discovered her abilities.
00:53 --> 00:58 [SPEAKER_02]: What it was like learning to trust them and what it means to live in a world where the unseen is never very far away.
00:59 --> 01:09 [SPEAKER_02]: And the second part we go deeper into what communication with the other side actually feels like, how those experiences change you and some of the questions that don't always have easy answers.
01:10 --> 01:11 [SPEAKER_02]: Thank you for sticking with us.
01:11 --> 01:16 [SPEAKER_02]: Let's step back into the conversation and without further ado, here's Jensen Smith.
01:23 --> 01:24 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I was so fine.
01:24 --> 01:33 [SPEAKER_00]: I wish I were good at, I mean, again, this didn't date me, too, but I was not my sister so good at rollerblading and I was never good at it and it looked so fun.
01:33 --> 01:34 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah.
01:34 --> 01:41 [SPEAKER_02]: I used to do that all the time back, back before the skateboarders, you know, made it cool, you know.
01:43 --> 01:45 [SPEAKER_02]: But, you know, that's, that's awesome.
01:45 --> 01:56 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I just, it's just so funny that and it makes total sense to me that you would like connect, reconnect with someone that you had a great relationship with in this life in the afterlife.
01:56 --> 02:10 [SPEAKER_02]: And especially like if you're gonna send somebody to go retrieve someone who's recently deceased and help them, like you wanna, at least you hope that when you cross over that somebody that you had a really good connection with in this life, you know?
02:10 --> 02:11 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, absolutely.
02:11 --> 02:24 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and there's such a relief, I think, in that getting to be in the same space as them, even if it's a non-physical space, I think there's just a joy from that.
02:24 --> 02:25 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
02:25 --> 02:27 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I think there's a few people I can't.
02:27 --> 02:29 [SPEAKER_00]: Wait, I'm always gonna be so fun to see them.
02:29 --> 02:32 [SPEAKER_00]: You know, and I feel them around me, and I know that they're chatting with me.
02:33 --> 02:38 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I sure have a new ghost friend that lives in this house.
02:38 --> 02:41 [SPEAKER_00]: So I'm actually kind of excited to like one day, hopefully a long time from now.
02:42 --> 02:44 [SPEAKER_00]: Feel like that was so fun hanging out with you.
02:44 --> 02:45 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
02:45 --> 02:48 [SPEAKER_00]: And this house, she, she owned, she lived here before we did.
02:49 --> 02:50 [SPEAKER_00]: Let's go.
02:50 --> 02:59 [SPEAKER_00]: Our first night here, I was missing my, my son still kind of like choose on this bottle as he falls asleep and I couldn't find it.
02:59 --> 03:00 [SPEAKER_00]: anywhere.
03:00 --> 03:05 [SPEAKER_00]: We were just like utterly exhausted from like driving out of New York out of the city at any point in time.
03:05 --> 03:06 [SPEAKER_00]: It's like a feat.
03:07 --> 03:10 [SPEAKER_00]: Doing it with all of your shit is like insane.
03:10 --> 03:14 [SPEAKER_00]: And um, it was so crazy and then getting in here.
03:14 --> 03:17 [SPEAKER_00]: So um, I love his eye.
03:17 --> 03:18 [SPEAKER_00]: Just finally I just got into bed.
03:18 --> 03:21 [SPEAKER_00]: Of course he had his first day of preschool the next day.
03:22 --> 03:27 [SPEAKER_00]: You know, so just a lot of
03:27 --> 03:47 [SPEAKER_00]: the light one light started flashing in the living room and we didn't have any lights up yet we just had the little flick on, you know, like a regular light and it there are these old and the sort of candlestick lights with the kind of knotting me but the heads of the candlestick the candlestick penis, like the flame of the little pink penis is
03:47 --> 04:06 [SPEAKER_00]: Sorry, Norgon, sorry, but there's a bit of a pretty they made it really cool color like the one started flashing, and I was like, oh my god, someone's here, and I hear mommy mommy, and I was like, oh my god, where are you freaking bottle, I'm looking and like is it right there and we're going to say you isn't right there and I looked around and then like my ADHD just couldn't
04:06 --> 04:11 [SPEAKER_00]: Take out the other details around it, and so finally I was like, I give up, you know, I was just like lying on the floor till you fell asleep.
04:11 --> 04:13 [SPEAKER_00]: Finally fell asleep at my downstairs.
04:13 --> 04:15 [SPEAKER_00]: It was right there underneath the light.
04:15 --> 04:18 [SPEAKER_00]: It's never flickered since, not once.
04:19 --> 04:21 [SPEAKER_00]: Um, so really like her.
04:21 --> 04:22 [SPEAKER_02]: Yes, she's very helpful.
04:22 --> 04:24 [SPEAKER_02]: It sounds like, yeah.
04:24 --> 04:42 [SPEAKER_02]: We had one for a little while, but when I moved in, we think that she may be moved on because I am not felt or experienced anything in the house, but my girlfriend, when she was living here alone, I may have told you the story, but there was, she was on Snapchat, sending her sister's Snapchat, and
04:42 --> 05:06 [SPEAKER_02]: It was one of those that has like the voice modulator in it that pitches your voice way up and so she's on there and is when her daughter was like really, really young and so like you hear baby crying in the background, but like she's talking to her sister and it's like making her voice sound like a cartoon like like she's on helium, but then all of a sudden you hear this voice that's not pitched up say it's the baby, yeah, job.
05:06 --> 05:27 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and then she had some other experiences where she was painting in the basement and like right next to her like it was like she said like a hand just hit the wall like really hard to the point where she saw the paint ripple out and like so she like refers to it as the name of the woman who passed away here who lived here before before her but yeah.
05:27 --> 05:28 [SPEAKER_00]: wild.
05:28 --> 05:32 [SPEAKER_00]: Isn't it the, wow, there's nothing like a crying baby.
05:32 --> 05:36 [SPEAKER_00]: I feel like everyone's internal systems are like, we gotta get the baby.
05:36 --> 05:37 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I get the baby.
05:37 --> 05:38 [SPEAKER_00]: Dead or not.
05:38 --> 05:39 [SPEAKER_02]: Baby isn't just stressed.
05:39 --> 05:41 [SPEAKER_00]: Baby, baby, baby, baby.
05:41 --> 05:44 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, at one time, it was really early on.
05:44 --> 05:48 [SPEAKER_00]: I think he was maybe a few weeks old and I was out cold.
05:49 --> 05:53 [SPEAKER_00]: And my husband heard someone say, okay, not just go back to sleep now.
05:53 --> 05:53 [SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
05:53 --> 05:59 [SPEAKER_00]: Okay, and it sounded like my voice, and so he looked at me and I was like Sounded just like you.
05:59 --> 06:01 [SPEAKER_00]: It was like it was my grandma.
06:01 --> 06:09 [SPEAKER_00]: Wow Told she loved babies, but I yeah, I could totally see her just Do do do yeah, she's very hyper.
06:10 --> 06:11 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, that'd be my mom for sure.
06:11 --> 06:22 [SPEAKER_02]: She'd like this for the grandkids You know like all she got it just beer at the grandkids and like fortunately a few months before she passed She got to meet the last two of the grandkids
06:23 --> 06:26 [SPEAKER_02]: like they were, you know, like six months old, something like that, six, seven months old.
06:27 --> 06:34 [SPEAKER_02]: And so she got to, there's some great pictures of her holding them, and we're just like, man, that's all she did was just travel back and forth between.
06:34 --> 06:54 [SPEAKER_02]: You know, here and where my other two brothers live, we're split 50, 52 of them are in one city, two of us are in another and we're about to just drive back and forth and just spend time with the grandkids like that's all so I could see her like doing the same thing and absolutely because she's always like just if the baby is fussy she'll be like, can't be the baby.
06:54 --> 06:55 [SPEAKER_02]: I'll take care of the baby.
06:58 --> 07:00 [SPEAKER_02]: We're like she's a pro.
07:00 --> 07:09 [SPEAKER_00]: She's like, I've done this a few times, but also just all there's nothing like when they're so little and they can just sleep on you, that's the best feeling it's true.
07:09 --> 07:12 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I think that's that now I've got a sassy 12 year olds.
07:12 --> 07:23 [SPEAKER_02]: So, so tell me a little bit about like your process and like how do you sort of prep for it like is there a preparation process that you have like that before you do a reading.
07:23 --> 07:31 [SPEAKER_00]: Honestly, I am so quickly being like, I guess, take Ollie, like, wearing like, handing off a kid.
07:32 --> 07:35 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm flugging it and I'm just trying hard very not to be late.
07:35 --> 07:37 [SPEAKER_00]: In an ideal world for me.
07:38 --> 07:42 [SPEAKER_00]: I know, I really actually find a lot of peace and connection to spirit when I'm in movement.
07:43 --> 07:58 [SPEAKER_00]: So, you know, I've had a lot of spirits come to me when I'm on the elliptical, and I'm like, guys, not, yeah, I got somebody in like hour, but go ahead, but did you want to say, you know, I think I just open up because there's something about when I'm moving around, then I feel like I really relax.
07:58 --> 08:19 [SPEAKER_00]: Um, and it kind of comes through, so it could be as simple as just like listening to some music and decluttering for a second and like clearing out the space and I can kind of start to feel things shift, but really it just kind of sit down and jump in, which maybe you think of, but that's what I do to you know, hi.
08:19 --> 08:20 [SPEAKER_02]: I think it's not their own process.
08:21 --> 08:40 [SPEAKER_00]: I just got to sit down and it just, you know, actually now that I think about it, sometimes when I'm hearing somebody's voice talk, I think that is so voices are so cool and there's such a unique signature for each person and I wonder if that really starts shaking the psychic gears in the air or something or like the satellites.
08:40 --> 08:40 [SPEAKER_00]: Like do
08:40 --> 09:01 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to start coming in, but really I just kind of say to myself, okay, I'm going to put my own shit down and just see what comes in and it's honestly a real relief to let go of my own racket or random thoughts I'm having and it feels so good to channel like it just feels good.
09:01 --> 09:01 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
09:02 --> 09:13 [SPEAKER_02]: So one of the things we didn't talk as much about when you and I were chatting a couple weeks ago, because I am extremely fascinated with the ability to connect with the spirit world, of course.
09:13 --> 09:20 [SPEAKER_02]: But talk a little bit about, you know, the portion of your talents where like you can you mention, you can see things into the future.
09:20 --> 09:22 [SPEAKER_02]: Like, how does that come through?
09:22 --> 09:23 [SPEAKER_02]: How does that work?
09:23 --> 09:24 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, just talk about that a little bit.
09:24 --> 09:31 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so sometimes it looks kind of similar to how spirits will show me things, you know?
09:31 --> 09:45 [SPEAKER_00]: So like, if someone's asking a mod a job, I might start to see the physical location of the job or I might get a feeling about a personality of somebody that they might interview with or something.
09:45 --> 09:54 [SPEAKER_00]: I say, oh, that's really weird because someone's just reached out to me and that was kind of the vibe that they had or something.
09:54 --> 10:21 [SPEAKER_00]: of okay so if it's something concrete like a job right the kind of give me little pieces for them to go well I can see okay that I don't know but maybe it's coming or it'll help me know why I'm on the right track kind of you know let me think if there's a better way to describe that like I don't know why this came to mind but it'll feel like you'll get that sensation you get if you enjoy the sound of walking on gravel at night
10:21 --> 10:26 [SPEAKER_00]: And you're like, oh my god, yeah, I totally applied for a job in Montana.
10:26 --> 10:26 [SPEAKER_00]: And you're like, there you go.
10:27 --> 10:30 [SPEAKER_00]: Why have a concrete driveway when you can have gravel?
10:31 --> 10:32 [SPEAKER_02]: I love doing describe things.
10:33 --> 10:40 [SPEAKER_00]: So weird but like I don't know and then I guess it was so specific for each person, you know what I mean?
10:40 --> 10:43 [SPEAKER_00]: I got one that was pretty crazy recently actually.
10:43 --> 10:46 [SPEAKER_00]: So I was tuning in to love for someone.
10:46 --> 10:52 [SPEAKER_00]: You know, oftentimes they'll give me like a feeling if it's sort of like who's on the way if they're not.
10:52 --> 10:54 [SPEAKER_00]: There's no specific person in mind.
10:54 --> 10:58 [SPEAKER_00]: Sometimes they'll give me an element of how they will make them feel.
10:58 --> 11:11 [SPEAKER_00]: Which is usually pretty important because sometimes people get caught in these cycles of being drawn to someone, but sometimes it's because it's a familiar feeling and that might not actually be a great thing overall.
11:11 --> 11:19 [SPEAKER_00]: And so then they kind of describe it's other feeling and kind of like fanning the flames of that as it comes into your life and practicing it, I don't know.
11:19 --> 11:30 [SPEAKER_00]: Um, but this other I'm gonna so fucking cool because I just saw this guy so clear that I could see his app profile His dinner profile.
11:30 --> 11:35 [SPEAKER_00]: I could see his Build I could see that he was wearing white shoes.
11:35 --> 11:37 [SPEAKER_00]: I could see what was it he liked.
11:37 --> 11:40 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, yeah, I could see that he liked soccer, but that he called it football
11:40 --> 11:48 [SPEAKER_00]: Hey, and I could see that he was most likely a doctor and then this woman texted me She's like fucking shit.
11:48 --> 11:50 [SPEAKER_00]: I just saw this guy like suck.
11:50 --> 11:54 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, I get did there were like a details too They were like a specific type of shoe.
11:54 --> 12:02 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, but I think it's because for that person she needed like a Swipe which way do you go right left swipe right?
12:02 --> 12:09 [SPEAKER_00]: Yes, right, I think that swipe right, you know, they should just be a star or don't star it.
12:09 --> 12:10 [SPEAKER_00]: This is a swiping thing.
12:10 --> 12:10 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know.
12:11 --> 12:14 [SPEAKER_00]: Um, but I guess if you don't star it doesn't move anyway.
12:14 --> 12:21 [SPEAKER_00]: And so that was so interesting to me, you know, but they also show me options because it's not like you have to do this one thing.
12:21 --> 12:22 [SPEAKER_00]: There's only one person.
12:23 --> 12:23 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
12:23 --> 12:42 [SPEAKER_00]: Sometimes they'll just show like different ideas and or sometimes they'll they'll kind of push something up that they're like, yeah, I think about that, but I'm not going to do it and then they show me and they haven't talked to me about it and then they're like, okay, well, maybe there is some validity to that and then taking a look at it and then poof that path lights up so much faster than the other one.
12:42 --> 12:45 [SPEAKER_00]: They were like trying to push and move forward.
12:45 --> 12:46 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know if that makes sense.
12:46 --> 12:48 [SPEAKER_02]: That's what it makes a lot of sense.
12:48 --> 12:48 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
12:49 --> 12:49 [SPEAKER_02]: That's interesting.
12:49 --> 13:00 [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, because we did when we were talking the first time, you did mention something about, like, even though you're sort of tapping it to the future, it's sort of potential futures.
13:00 --> 13:02 [SPEAKER_02]: Like, you said it's still sort of malleable.
13:02 --> 13:04 [SPEAKER_02]: There's still options there.
13:04 --> 13:04 [SPEAKER_00]: Absolutely.
13:04 --> 13:09 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and it's it's up to you what you want to do.
13:09 --> 13:10 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's funny.
13:10 --> 13:19 [SPEAKER_00]: There's like a feeling There's a feeling sometimes of I don't know it like right after when you think it's not gonna happen It happens.
13:19 --> 13:22 [SPEAKER_00]: It sounds cliche to say I like I like you know what okay fine.
13:22 --> 13:22 [SPEAKER_00]: I'll just do this.
13:23 --> 13:25 [SPEAKER_00]: I know why I'm talking about interviews
13:25 --> 13:26 [SPEAKER_00]: That's so boring.
13:27 --> 13:28 [SPEAKER_00]: I just like what's the thing cool.
13:28 --> 13:34 [SPEAKER_00]: Are you like house on jigger or something where it's like, you know, you're like, fuck, why didn't they take our offer like, fuck.
13:34 --> 13:38 [SPEAKER_00]: And then, like, I don't know, whatever, let's go see this one, whatever.
13:38 --> 13:39 [SPEAKER_00]: Maybe we should just watch TV, but let's do it.
13:40 --> 13:42 [SPEAKER_00]: And then, oh my god, I think this is it.
13:42 --> 13:52 [SPEAKER_00]: You know, I think that following that inkling of sometimes it is a leap of faith into the whatever zone and then a whole bunch happens.
13:52 --> 13:58 [SPEAKER_00]: And so I guess to tie that back just like a reading land, maybe it's something
13:58 --> 14:03 [SPEAKER_00]: Because I do feel like sometimes when you're getting a reading when I've been on the receiving end I'm like, I don't know the fuck that means.
14:03 --> 14:06 [SPEAKER_00]: And then later on, I'm like, oh, that's what that meant.
14:07 --> 14:12 [SPEAKER_00]: And it clicks three years later and then makes you feel very good about where you are.
14:12 --> 14:15 [SPEAKER_00]: It feels like an extra like, you're on the right place.
14:16 --> 14:16 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
14:16 --> 14:19 [SPEAKER_02]: I would have, I'm going to take a guess here, I'm going to, I'm going to make a misalmship.
14:20 --> 14:25 [SPEAKER_02]: That most people who come to you and they're asking about the future, they're asking about one of three things.
14:26 --> 14:28 [SPEAKER_02]: They're asking about love, money, or career.
14:28 --> 14:28 [SPEAKER_02]: Am I close?
14:29 --> 14:29 [SPEAKER_00]: Very close.
14:30 --> 14:35 [SPEAKER_00]: Love is a huge money, um, money, um,
14:37 --> 14:39 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, love money, career.
14:39 --> 14:42 [SPEAKER_00]: Also, well, I guess that would be was in the category of love.
14:42 --> 14:44 [SPEAKER_00]: Like, what happened?
14:44 --> 14:48 [SPEAKER_00]: You know, because there's a lot of people who's something like, I'm down with this, poof gone.
14:48 --> 14:50 [SPEAKER_00]: And they're like, what happened with them?
14:50 --> 14:54 [SPEAKER_00]: Like, why, you know, and kind of getting to see into it?
14:55 --> 14:57 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, love money, career, and love runs on the other side.
14:57 --> 14:58 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
14:58 --> 14:58 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
14:58 --> 14:59 [SPEAKER_02]: Let me make sense.
15:00 --> 15:06 [SPEAKER_02]: Is there anything that have you ever had an experience where you saw something that you're like, oh, I don't know if I want to share that.
15:07 --> 15:08 [SPEAKER_02]: Like that.
15:08 --> 15:08 [SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
15:09 --> 15:21 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah around love happens a lot actually so I'm saying to be like what about this person and they'll try to manipulate things But if I do this then in the future will they do that then will they show up?
15:21 --> 15:24 [SPEAKER_00]: But I'm like I can't mean I'm not here to manipulate someone.
15:24 --> 15:33 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm just here to tell you like what I'm seeing and so It can be that's a hard one to say because sometimes if like I don't think it's going anywhere and
15:33 --> 15:36 [SPEAKER_00]: believe me, you have other options.
15:36 --> 15:40 [SPEAKER_00]: You know, and then I try to really, and offer, just say, do you want me to tune into that?
15:40 --> 15:48 [SPEAKER_00]: For you, so you can kind of start to open up the window, but sometimes people aren't ready to, like, they need to keep spinning the wheel on the same person.
15:48 --> 15:49 [SPEAKER_00]: That's hard.
15:49 --> 15:53 [SPEAKER_00]: I haven't, you know, I do ask them, I do have boundaries with my guide cell.
15:53 --> 15:59 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm like, if this person's gonna hit by a bus tomorrow, if they can't do anything about that, then don't tell me they're gonna hit by a bus tomorrow.
15:59 --> 16:01 [SPEAKER_00]: If they can do something, then you can show me.
16:01 --> 16:04 [SPEAKER_00]: But if they can't, do not show me.
16:04 --> 16:10 [SPEAKER_00]: I have, I think I have pretty good boundaries in place too, cause I'm like, I don't know, like, yeah, that's true depressing.
16:10 --> 16:24 [SPEAKER_00]: but there are tough things, you know, because sometimes people are in really difficult medical situations and I will, I'm not a doctor, but if I open myself up into my best in my abilities, kind of see where it's headed.
16:24 --> 16:40 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to look like a smoke from a flame and like which direction is the smoke going and you'll kind of get a feeling of like there may be a way out of this, you know, sometimes it's just a
16:40 --> 16:44 [SPEAKER_02]: Misconceptions that people have when they come to someone like yourself.
16:44 --> 17:04 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that I'm only going to give them bad news I would assume the opposite that I'm only going to get great news get totally like up like if they I feel like that though happens when they know something isn't right for them They don't want to admit it and they're like she's going to say it's not right for me and then it's going to be real I'm like, okay, okay.
17:04 --> 17:07 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, oh, everything is set in stone even though I'm like it's not set in stone
17:07 --> 17:28 [SPEAKER_00]: And then I think also just like that I might be like scary kind of I think people are kind of scared of psychic mediums Or that I'm like always reading I'm not reading your mind like I but if I'm doing a reading and somebody asks me to do it Okay, like I will tell you what I'm seeing but if I'm at the grocery store I do not want to be reading everybody's minds like I don't
17:28 --> 17:32 [SPEAKER_00]: He said, I know as I'll pass someone and I don't know how to be like, oh god, damn it, and Frank.
17:32 --> 17:35 [SPEAKER_00]: And I'm like, I don't need to know about Frank, I gotta keep going.
17:35 --> 17:36 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't need to know.
17:36 --> 17:38 [SPEAKER_00]: I want to know my pasties, ladies and queens.
17:38 --> 17:42 [SPEAKER_00]: And I heard Jesus, Jesus, Jesus, and I was like, oh, but it was like praying.
17:43 --> 17:46 [SPEAKER_00]: And then I was, I was on a city bike, so I docked my like city bike.
17:46 --> 17:48 [SPEAKER_00]: And they were like, have you heard the good news?
17:48 --> 17:49 [SPEAKER_00]: And I was like, oh, that's why I heard that.
17:50 --> 17:54 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, I was like, I have heard the good news that you so much, and then I kept going.
17:55 --> 18:08 [SPEAKER_02]: God, I had a guy coming to my door last week and I was just like I was waiting for it and I thought I thought we were, I thought I was in the clear and then he's like, hey, will you flip that card over and I'm like, fuck yeah.
18:08 --> 18:12 [SPEAKER_02]: He's like, if you died today, do you know where you go?
18:12 --> 18:15 [SPEAKER_02]: And I'm just like, no, I don't want to have this kind in my head.
18:15 --> 18:18 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm like, I don't want to have this conversation with this guy, you know?
18:18 --> 18:20 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm like, I don't know you, like you don't know me.
18:21 --> 18:22 [SPEAKER_02]: And immediately I'm making
18:22 --> 18:41 [SPEAKER_00]: making judgments that you you don't know what you're talking about yeah yeah it's also very controlling I'm like don't tell me where I'm gonna go when yeah you don't know you don't know yeah immediately come back as a squirrel bite you yeah I want to do I want to play it
18:42 --> 18:43 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, totally!
18:43 --> 18:46 [SPEAKER_00]: After we closed on our house, we're like, oh, thank God.
18:46 --> 18:49 [SPEAKER_00]: And our lawyer immediately turned us and was like, so do you have a well?
18:49 --> 18:50 [SPEAKER_00]: Because you could get hit by a bus.
18:51 --> 18:53 [SPEAKER_00]: And I'm like, Jesus Christ, I would just finish.
18:53 --> 18:55 [SPEAKER_00]: They're like, you know, they really need a well.
18:55 --> 18:57 [SPEAKER_00]: She's like, I, I do a state planning.
18:57 --> 19:00 [SPEAKER_02]: And I was like, okay, that's a weird way to mark each other, tell us.
19:00 --> 19:06 [SPEAKER_01]: I was like, I know, I was like, let's just... Yeah, I'd... Yeah.
19:07 --> 19:12 [SPEAKER_02]: So, what's one thing that you wish that everyone could hear from the other side?
19:12 --> 19:15 [SPEAKER_00]: Great question, that it feels good there.
19:16 --> 19:22 [SPEAKER_00]: That open space in time does not equal an existential crisis, but actually peace.
19:23 --> 19:30 [SPEAKER_00]: And then if you can kind of trust a little bit more in your day-to-day, you can have a lot of that now.
19:30 --> 19:35 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, there's so much squeezing that I feel like they're like, don't squeeze.
19:36 --> 19:36 [SPEAKER_00]: Don't squeeze.
19:36 --> 19:40 [SPEAKER_00]: That's kind of, yeah, underlying message.
19:40 --> 19:41 [SPEAKER_00]: I get a lot.
19:41 --> 19:43 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, but it's been to human.
19:43 --> 19:44 [SPEAKER_00]: It's very nerve-wracking and it's not.
19:45 --> 19:45 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
19:45 --> 19:46 [SPEAKER_00]: It's not exactly relaxing.
19:47 --> 19:47 [SPEAKER_00]: That's hard.
19:49 --> 20:06 [SPEAKER_02]: No, it doesn't make sense at the time, but you wonder, like, philosophically, like if everyone knew concretely that there was an afterlife and that it was the way you describe how that might change the way that we live this life.
20:06 --> 20:11 [SPEAKER_00]: That's so true and and the way that flow moves.
20:11 --> 20:29 [SPEAKER_00]: So if it's if the anxiety goes down Like road widens or something like you push the lever down the everything is like a toddler toy in my head right now Push the lever this pops up whatever but it goes like it opens up and more can just go Yeah, you know, it's it's fun.
20:29 --> 20:31 [SPEAKER_00]: I often think about like
20:31 --> 20:35 [SPEAKER_00]: those days when you're a kid and it's a summer and you're like, I have all day.
20:35 --> 20:35 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
20:35 --> 20:37 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh my god.
20:37 --> 20:41 [SPEAKER_00]: And for me, like in the beginning of that summer, I'd be like, oh my, this is, this is too much.
20:41 --> 20:45 [SPEAKER_00]: Like, I would forget a little, like, anxious and a little depressed, actually.
20:45 --> 20:48 [SPEAKER_00]: Like, I'd be like, oh, this is like, I don't like, this is too much.
20:48 --> 21:03 [SPEAKER_00]: And then July hits and I'm like, I'm in my stride and I have all these ideas and I'm going to go to this place in that place and bike there and it feels like anything is possible and I think that that sense of like oh like I'm
21:03 --> 21:28 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm big enough to do this and then you like a version of it happens, it's cooler than what you even thought it could be and I think adults have to kind of find that again that connection to their spirit sometimes and like continue those like little leaps of faith that really create cool shit you know and I think that comes from a place of like keeping your hands open so to speak of like
21:28 --> 21:30 [SPEAKER_00]: not needing to control it all.
21:30 --> 21:37 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I don't know, but then I also heard that that means you also have to have like a real cocoon spot to come back to.
21:38 --> 21:44 [SPEAKER_00]: So feels kind of like a real combo of both because you can't always be like, I'm on an adventure.
21:44 --> 21:45 [SPEAKER_00]: Or maybe some people can.
21:45 --> 21:46 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm not that extraverted.
21:47 --> 21:48 [SPEAKER_00]: I need to go into a hole.
21:48 --> 21:56 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I get like I've always been super extraverted, but I find
21:56 --> 21:57 [SPEAKER_02]: You know what I mean?
21:57 --> 21:58 [SPEAKER_02]: Totally.
21:58 --> 22:06 [SPEAKER_02]: Like I find myself becoming more introverted the older I get, I'm like, man, like the idea of like going to this party or whatever, I'm like, that sounds exhausting.
22:07 --> 22:08 [SPEAKER_02]: That means I'm... That sounds hard.
22:09 --> 22:09 [SPEAKER_02]: You fall.
22:09 --> 22:10 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm like, I don't want to do that.
22:11 --> 22:17 [SPEAKER_00]: Totally, yeah, even things I used to like really like look forward to and I'm like, oh, I'm gonna do it.
22:17 --> 22:23 [SPEAKER_00]: Like, you know, I'm as younger and I think about like going to a wedding, I'm like, that's so cool, a magical, and now I'm like, oh, God.
22:23 --> 22:24 [SPEAKER_02]: What a hassle.
22:25 --> 22:28 [SPEAKER_00]: That's so much work, you know?
22:28 --> 22:29 [SPEAKER_02]: That's true.
22:31 --> 22:31 [SPEAKER_01]: So funny.
22:32 --> 22:32 [SPEAKER_02]: I love it.
22:32 --> 22:39 [SPEAKER_02]: Any, like, final thoughts that that you really like feel like you need to get out there before you wrap things up.
22:39 --> 23:09 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't think if there is, well, the feeling I'm getting right now is, I feel cheesy saying this, but I guess what I would say is, I feel like there's, I'm not gonna sound like that crazy, I'm not even on TikTok, but I feel like I'm not selling like a crazy, it's like TikTok, but there's so much, speaking of hand squeeze, there's so, oh, tension and distress in the world right now, and so, just even imagining a different,
23:09 --> 23:27 [SPEAKER_00]: Angle or connecting, I don't know what we're talking about, like, could demons be like kind of cool and just like a different style of being, you know, or, like, could aliens be our buddies and help us teach how to think in different patterns that create opportunity and peace?
23:27 --> 23:36 [SPEAKER_00]: I think there's something to that that could be very helpful and moving forward and healing.
23:36 --> 23:43 [SPEAKER_00]: because it just feels like stuff is kind of colliding and certain things are breaking off.
23:43 --> 23:49 [SPEAKER_00]: And there's this hunger to return to how's it going?
23:49 --> 23:57 [SPEAKER_00]: And by having a fire tonight and perhaps some extra tomatoes before the first broadcast, it's on like all Mark movie.
23:57 --> 23:58 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, yeah.
23:58 --> 24:00 [SPEAKER_00]: I think people miss it, you know?
24:00 --> 24:03 [SPEAKER_00]: And so I think that would be,
24:03 --> 24:15 [SPEAKER_00]: But I guess that's sort of the psychic key, paranormal side of that is just like saying to yourself, maybe I'll just decide to be a tiny bit more open to this kind of stuff and just see what happens.
24:16 --> 24:16 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
24:16 --> 24:17 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
24:17 --> 24:17 [SPEAKER_02]: Absolutely.
24:18 --> 24:18 [SPEAKER_02]: I love it.
24:18 --> 24:19 [SPEAKER_02]: Well, thank you so much.
24:19 --> 24:21 [SPEAKER_02]: This is always fascinating.
24:21 --> 24:22 [SPEAKER_02]: Second thing that's been said.
24:22 --> 24:23 [SPEAKER_02]: I really appreciate it.
24:24 --> 24:25 [SPEAKER_02]: And uh, what to do this against some time?
24:26 --> 24:26 [SPEAKER_00]: Let's do it.
24:27 --> 24:27 [SPEAKER_02]: Awesome.
24:27 --> 24:29 [SPEAKER_02]: Well, thanks so much, Shenson.
24:29 --> 24:29 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
24:30 --> 24:30 [SPEAKER_02]: All right.
25:13 --> 25:17 [UNKNOWN]: Thank you.