UFOs, Ancient Secrets, and the Truth Behind Disclosure (Part 1) – with Melissa Tittl
🗓️ Episode Summary:
In this two-part episode of From The Void, host John Williamson sits down with investigative journalist, television producer, and truth-seeker Melissa Tittl to explore one of the most captivating mysteries of our time—UFOs and extraterrestrial life.
In Part 1, Melissa shares how she found herself drawn into the world of high strangeness, what it’s really like working on major shows like Ancient Aliens and The Secret of Skinwalker Ranch, and why the search for truth about UFOs isn’t just about aliens—it’s about who controls the narrative.
From ancient civilizations and hidden knowledge to modern-day secrecy and government slow-walks toward “disclosure,” this episode sets the stage for a mind-expanding journey through the unknown.
🔍 Topics Covered:
•Melissa Tittl’s background in investigative journalism and TV production
•Behind the scenes of shows like Ancient Aliens and Hacking the Universe
•Why the UFO conversation is shifting—and what that really means
•The psychology of belief and disinformation
•Ancient knowledge and the recurring patterns in humanity’s search for meaning
•What it’s like navigating the entertainment industry while asking forbidden questions
👤 About Melissa Tittl:
Melissa Tittl is an investigative journalist, television producer, and creator of thought-provoking content that blends science, ancient history, and the paranormal. She’s worked on some of the most well-known shows in the UFO and conspiracy space, and continues to explore the intersection of truth, mystery, and hidden knowledge through her own projects.
Follow her work at:
🌐 https://www.melissatittl.com
📺 Instagram: @melissatittl & @hathorstudios
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00:00:01 --> 00:00:07 From the darkest reaches of space to the deepest corners of your mind.
00:00:09 --> 00:00:11 Welcome to From the Void.
00:00:15 --> 00:00:19 Welcome to From the Void, the podcast that explores the strange,
00:00:20 --> 00:00:22 the unexplained, and the otherworldly.
00:00:22 --> 00:00:28 I'm your host, John Williamson. In this two-part episode, we're diving deep
00:00:28 --> 00:00:33 into the topic of UFOs in extraterrestrial life, one of the most enduring and
00:00:33 --> 00:00:34 controversial mysteries of our time.
00:00:35 --> 00:00:40 My guest is Melissa Tittle, a television producer, investigative journalist,
00:00:40 --> 00:00:46 and true seeker who has spent years exploring the secrets hidden in our skies and in our ancient past.
00:00:47 --> 00:00:52 You may know her from shows like Ancient Aliens, The Secret of Skinwalker Ranch,
00:00:52 --> 00:00:53 and Hacking the universe.
00:00:54 --> 00:00:59 In part one, Melissa shares how she got pulled into the world of high strangeness,
00:00:59 --> 00:01:04 what it's like working behind the scenes of some of the most popular UFO shows
00:01:04 --> 00:01:08 on television, and why disclosure may be more complicated than we think.
00:01:08 --> 00:01:11 So buckle up, the void is wide open.
00:01:17 --> 00:01:21 All right, welcome to the podcast. Melissa Tittle, I'm so excited to have you
00:01:21 --> 00:01:23 on. I've been a big fan for a while.
00:01:23 --> 00:01:27 I've seen you on numerous TV shows at this point. So thank you so much for coming on today.
00:01:27 --> 00:01:31 Awesome. Thank you so much for having me. Absolutely. And this is great timing.
00:01:31 --> 00:01:35 And I'm not going to jump to the good stuff yet, but there's been a lot of stuff
00:01:35 --> 00:01:38 going on in the news lately in regards to UIPs, UFOs.
00:01:39 --> 00:01:42 But before we get into that part, tell folks a little bit about your background,
00:01:42 --> 00:01:46 what you do for a living and how in the world you got into such a sort of niche,
00:01:46 --> 00:01:50 but becoming more of a mainstream topic by day sort of field.
00:01:50 --> 00:01:55 Yeah, of course. I've always been a person to question reality,
00:01:55 --> 00:01:58 so I've been doing that ever since I was a kid.
00:01:59 --> 00:02:05 I loved writing. I always loved writing. I went to school for TV and film, journalism.
00:02:05 --> 00:02:11 And my first job out of school was to work for NBC, to work for the news, and I hated it.
00:02:11 --> 00:02:17 I was like, this is so boring. It's like, you know, your first job out of school
00:02:17 --> 00:02:21 and you're like, I'm so inspired to like, I don't know, make a difference or
00:02:21 --> 00:02:23 whatever you think when you're 20 years old.
00:02:24 --> 00:02:30 And I was so dismayed by the fact that this was some kind of job or reality.
00:02:30 --> 00:02:36 And I was not interested in that at all. And so I think because of my constant
00:02:36 --> 00:02:42 curiosity and the fact that I've always loved ancient civilizations and cultures
00:02:42 --> 00:02:43 and different ways of looking at things,
00:02:44 --> 00:02:48 when I was growing up, my dad was in the Air Force, and we talked about possibilities
00:02:48 --> 00:02:53 of extraterrestrial life, you know, even as a kid. So nothing was really weird to me.
00:02:53 --> 00:02:56 It kind of just happened, to be honest with you.
00:02:56 --> 00:03:00 I think when you create deductions in your head where you're like,
00:03:00 --> 00:03:03 you just don't like things, you don't need to make a big exclamation to the
00:03:03 --> 00:03:07 universe, but you just start to put together what you do like,
00:03:08 --> 00:03:10 and then things just attract themselves to you.
00:03:11 --> 00:03:13 I mean, one of the funny stories I always tell is that,
00:03:14 --> 00:03:18 working in Hollywood can be, you know, like any job, but it can be challenging.
00:03:18 --> 00:03:22 And if you're really sticking to what it is you want to tell and what you want
00:03:22 --> 00:03:25 to work on, I just didn't want to do bad reality shows.
00:03:25 --> 00:03:29 I just really was just like, I just don't want to do it.
00:03:29 --> 00:03:33 And I'm the kind of person, you just cannot force me to do something that I
00:03:33 --> 00:03:34 don't want to do. And I know it's a job.
00:03:35 --> 00:03:39 So I gave it up and I quit and I started a cookie company in Los Angeles.
00:03:40 --> 00:03:44 Like nothing, no producing, nothing. Just started a cookie company,
00:03:44 --> 00:03:48 sold to all the major studios, all the, you know, Discovery Channel, History Channel.
00:03:49 --> 00:03:55 And then I got a psychic reading because I was bringing on some investors into
00:03:55 --> 00:03:57 my cookie company and I was really excited about expanding.
00:03:57 --> 00:04:00 And she's like, oh, this is totally going to fail. And I was like, what?
00:04:00 --> 00:04:03 She's like, in two weeks time, you're going to get a phone call and you're going
00:04:03 --> 00:04:07 to be back producing and this show is going to be the rest of your life.
00:04:07 --> 00:04:10 And I'm like, what? No, not happening.
00:04:10 --> 00:04:13 Two weeks later, I get a call from Ancient Aliens. They were just starting.
00:04:13 --> 00:04:18 It's a brand new show. They only had six episodes that were greenlit from History
00:04:18 --> 00:04:21 Channel because they thought, I think they thought it was going to fail. That's funny, right?
00:04:22 --> 00:04:29 And so, yeah, then it just started my career. I just never left that space, to be honest with you.
00:04:30 --> 00:04:32 Wow. First of all, I need the number of that psychic.
00:04:33 --> 00:04:38 That's incredible. I did one show, I think last season on psychics.
00:04:38 --> 00:04:41 And I'm still like, I still, I want to believe and probably,
00:04:42 --> 00:04:45 and probably more so now because, you know, I've never up until this point in
00:04:45 --> 00:04:49 my life, two years ago, in fact, I'd never had anyone like really,
00:04:49 --> 00:04:50 really close to me pass away.
00:04:50 --> 00:04:53 And so now more in my mom passed away, unfortunately, a couple of years ago.
00:04:55 --> 00:04:59 But suddenly I found myself very interested in psychics at that point because
00:04:59 --> 00:05:02 I thought, man, if there's any way I could communicate with my mom, that would be amazing.
00:05:02 --> 00:05:04 How you should do that. Yeah.
00:05:05 --> 00:05:08 If you need anybody after the podcast, I'll see if I can. Let's talk.
00:05:09 --> 00:05:10 Yeah, that would be amazing.
00:05:10 --> 00:05:15 But yeah, I think I'm with you. I think, you know, we're a similar age and probably
00:05:15 --> 00:05:17 grew up watching similar shows.
00:05:17 --> 00:05:22 And I remember watching sightings growing up and being fascinated by the idea.
00:05:22 --> 00:05:25 And to me, it always kind of made sense. I'm like, you know,
00:05:25 --> 00:05:31 being fascinated with like astronomy and space and the universe. I thought it's too big.
00:05:31 --> 00:05:35 And the math just says that there is no conceivable way that we are alone.
00:05:35 --> 00:05:40 And so it just always kind of made sense to me. So talk about like,
00:05:40 --> 00:05:43 so obviously you start producing, that's kind of more behind the cameras,
00:05:43 --> 00:05:47 but you obviously end up on camera at some point. So what was that transition
00:05:47 --> 00:05:50 like and what, how did that, you know, how did that happen?
00:05:51 --> 00:05:54 Well, let me give you a little backstory on on camera.
00:05:55 --> 00:06:00 I was working at Paramount Studios in my early 20s when I first moved to Hollywood
00:06:00 --> 00:06:04 and I was the executive assistant to the president of Paramount Studios for,
00:06:04 --> 00:06:05 I don't know, a good three or four years.
00:06:06 --> 00:06:13 And during that time, J.J. Abrams was casting for Cloverfield and it was in our building.
00:06:13 --> 00:06:17 And let me tell you why it was in the president's administration building in
00:06:17 --> 00:06:20 Paramount Studios is because he
00:06:20 --> 00:06:24 refused to do Star Trek unless they would greenlight his Cloverfield film.
00:06:25 --> 00:06:29 And because Paramount didn't want to spend any money on it, we ended up doing
00:06:29 --> 00:06:32 I mean, a casting like in our conference room or something.
00:06:32 --> 00:06:36 It was just like the casting director thought that I, you know,
00:06:36 --> 00:06:37 I'd gone to the bathroom.
00:06:37 --> 00:06:42 She thought that I was there to do an audition. I said, no, I'm executive assistant
00:06:42 --> 00:06:45 to the president down the hall. I got to get back to work.
00:06:45 --> 00:06:48 I have to get back to the desk. And she she said, no, no, no,
00:06:48 --> 00:06:50 no, you you've got to be on camera.
00:06:51 --> 00:06:54 You have to like this is like you're like J.J. Abrams type.
00:06:54 --> 00:06:59 So I never planned to be on camera. But when she opened that red carpet for
00:06:59 --> 00:07:05 me and said, I'm going to get you into these classes and I'm going to train you how to do it.
00:07:05 --> 00:07:08 And then I'll get you some agents and you can see how it works.
00:07:09 --> 00:07:15 The thing is, I absolutely hated it. Like 100% hated all of it. I hated the auditions.
00:07:15 --> 00:07:19 I thought acting class felt like I was in some weird therapy where people were
00:07:19 --> 00:07:22 acting out their like past traumas.
00:07:22 --> 00:07:27 And I'm like, what is happening? Where am I? I can't do this for a living, you know? Yeah.
00:07:27 --> 00:07:32 But what that did was that made me a better director producer because I did
00:07:32 --> 00:07:39 start to really understand the amount of pressure talent was under when they were on camera. And when.
00:07:39 --> 00:07:44 Producers came to me when I worked on a History Channel show called Hangar One.
00:07:45 --> 00:07:49 I was producing that show. And they have no women to talk about.
00:07:49 --> 00:07:53 They have Linda Moulton Howe, but they really needed somebody specifically to
00:07:53 --> 00:07:58 talk about the correlation between these craft that were seen in wartime and
00:07:58 --> 00:08:02 why they were there and everything. And I had been writing all these episodes.
00:08:02 --> 00:08:05 And they said, why don't you just come out? I mean, you've been writing the show.
00:08:05 --> 00:08:07 You're doing all the research. Why don't you get on camera and talk about it?
00:08:07 --> 00:08:13 And that kind of started the on camera thing because I was already doing it.
00:08:13 --> 00:08:18 And it was easy for me to step into that position because I was I was OK talking
00:08:18 --> 00:08:21 in front of the camera and I had done the research. So it was everything that I was doing.
00:08:22 --> 00:08:25 That's got to be a little different, though, right? Like one one is like,
00:08:25 --> 00:08:29 you know, you're memorizing someone else's lines and pretending to be someone
00:08:29 --> 00:08:31 else. And the other one is like, you know, your stuff.
00:08:31 --> 00:08:35 And so like that, that's got to be a little bit more in your like comfort zone,
00:08:35 --> 00:08:38 right? Like, cause you know, this material and so it's just a matter of sitting
00:08:38 --> 00:08:40 on camera and talking about it.
00:08:41 --> 00:08:44 Right. Exactly. Exactly. And I, I mean, I love it.
00:08:44 --> 00:08:48 I love talking about the things that I'm passionate about and I love,
00:08:48 --> 00:08:53 I mean, who I am on camera is who I am behind the scenes.
00:08:53 --> 00:08:57 So there's no, like, I'm trying to be someone else. Like I, I'm doing all of
00:08:57 --> 00:09:01 that research and I'm, I'm putting all those pieces together.
00:09:01 --> 00:09:09 So it's just kind of like, okay, I'll step in front or behind or wherever is needed of me.
00:09:10 --> 00:09:13 Yeah, I've definitely noticed, like, you know, I go on IMDb and I'm looking
00:09:13 --> 00:09:17 at your career and it's definitely a very, like, good mix of,
00:09:17 --> 00:09:21 like, you know, one show you'll be in front of the camera, another show you're
00:09:21 --> 00:09:22 sort of behind the scenes.
00:09:22 --> 00:09:27 And, like, it's a very good mix, like, of both kind of perspectives, I guess. Yeah.
00:09:28 --> 00:09:32 Hey, yeah. So talk about a little bit about, because I know for me,
00:09:33 --> 00:09:38 I can remember some of the first cases that I read about that really sort of caught my attention.
00:09:38 --> 00:09:41 What were some of those first cases for you, some things that you read about
00:09:41 --> 00:09:44 when you were younger and you're like, ooh, this is really interesting?
00:09:45 --> 00:09:47 Okay, I can tell you the first one I read about, and I just,
00:09:47 --> 00:09:52 I cannot believe, I can't remember what the name of the military base was.
00:09:54 --> 00:09:57 So my dad was born in an
00:09:57 --> 00:09:59 air force base in the state of
00:09:59 --> 00:10:06 washington and it was oh god i don't think it's there anymore but it's it's
00:10:06 --> 00:10:13 east of seattle in that area it'll come to me when i'm talking but and my and
00:10:13 --> 00:10:19 my grandparents had saved this you know the the day that my dad was born,
00:10:20 --> 00:10:24 newspaper article, and they had put it away and sealed it or whatever. I was like, oh.
00:10:25 --> 00:10:29 And they were living on the base at the time because my grandfather was working for the government.
00:10:30 --> 00:10:34 And they had a huge UFO sighting the day that my dad was born.
00:10:34 --> 00:10:38 And it was always a topic of conversation. And I was so fascinated about it.
00:10:38 --> 00:10:42 And he would bring it up and I would kind of use it against him like,
00:10:42 --> 00:10:44 I think you're from another planet, like when you're a teenager.
00:10:45 --> 00:10:48 But I always thought it was really weird because...
00:10:50 --> 00:10:54 They never could figure out what it was. And it was like, you know,
00:10:54 --> 00:10:58 a circular round-shaped craft from the 1950s looking thing.
00:10:59 --> 00:11:04 And my dad said they were doing experimental stuff, but it was so big in the
00:11:04 --> 00:11:05 sky. They haven't had a picture of it.
00:11:06 --> 00:11:09 And I was so fascinated with that. I was like, hell.
00:11:09 --> 00:11:11 I mean, and then it was on his birthday. It was just so odd.
00:11:12 --> 00:11:13 And that sat in our house forever.
00:11:13 --> 00:11:17 So, I mean, it's not like the most mind-blowing case, but it was kind of like,
00:11:17 --> 00:11:20 was always in the back of my mind. Like, what was that?
00:11:20 --> 00:11:24 Is that something top secret? If it is, where did they get the technology?
00:11:24 --> 00:11:31 And if it's top secret and that was 1950, why are we not seeing that kind of craft today?
00:11:31 --> 00:11:35 Because that's 1950. And now, you know, we were in 2024.
00:11:35 --> 00:11:42 So I think that I always went back to that origin point of being just kind of
00:11:42 --> 00:11:43 dumbfounded that there was no answers.
00:11:44 --> 00:11:47 And then everything that happened after that, all the cases,
00:11:48 --> 00:11:54 all the people that had all these experiences, there was never a moment in my
00:11:54 --> 00:11:57 mind where I thought this is not true.
00:11:59 --> 00:12:05 Ben Hanson and I are co-host UFO witness and I'm more Mulder and he's more
00:12:05 --> 00:12:08 scully right yeah he's like
00:12:08 --> 00:12:11 the nuts and bolts girl and i'm
00:12:11 --> 00:12:14 like the weirdo in the basement right like
00:12:14 --> 00:12:17 i'm like well what if blah blah blah
00:12:17 --> 00:12:20 because i have a little bit more freedom to do that where he's kind
00:12:20 --> 00:12:23 of that's his niche right to to look at
00:12:23 --> 00:12:26 all that but but what my
00:12:26 --> 00:12:32 what i can say about that being the impetus for this thing in my mind being
00:12:32 --> 00:12:37 like well what was that and it was like something that we would talk about all
00:12:37 --> 00:12:43 the time as if it was like something that was just poking me constantly to figure out what it was.
00:12:44 --> 00:12:48 I think that the most important thing to me throughout the years of all these
00:12:48 --> 00:12:51 cases was not, are they true or not?
00:12:51 --> 00:12:55 It's just that there's so many, and there's such a pattern to the storytelling
00:12:55 --> 00:13:01 that there has to be a reality beyond, you know, did the craft really land?
00:13:02 --> 00:13:08 Is the witness credible? there's just too many throughout time before social media,
00:13:09 --> 00:13:13 before anybody could contact each other that have the same story,
00:13:13 --> 00:13:19 that even if one person was crazy, the other people validate this experience.
00:13:19 --> 00:13:27 So for me, I think we're dealing with a phenomenon that isn't about being true
00:13:27 --> 00:13:30 or false, which I know people just love to talk about.
00:13:31 --> 00:13:34 For me, what's more exciting is why is it happening?
00:13:35 --> 00:13:39 And why is it happening to certain people? Those are the two important questions
00:13:39 --> 00:13:45 that I ask myself when I read a case or I look at something and I say to myself,
00:13:45 --> 00:13:50 that is what's interesting to me right now because we're at this stage of consciousness
00:13:50 --> 00:13:51 where we really need to start asking that.
00:13:52 --> 00:13:54 Yeah, and I think you hit on something that's really important,
00:13:54 --> 00:13:58 which is that But I think as a society, especially within the last five,
00:13:59 --> 00:14:04 six years or so, as UFOs or if you want to call them UAPs, whatever we're calling them today,
00:14:05 --> 00:14:09 now that they've really come to the forefront and a lot of people with large
00:14:09 --> 00:14:12 platforms have really advocated for the release of more information,
00:14:13 --> 00:14:19 I think we are migrating towards this idea that we're no longer arguing whether
00:14:19 --> 00:14:20 or not these things exist.
00:14:21 --> 00:14:23 Now we're trying to debate what are they, where are they from,
00:14:24 --> 00:14:26 are they ours, are they someone else is so it does feel
00:14:26 --> 00:14:30 like we in that way we've made some progress i agree
00:14:30 --> 00:14:33 yeah so i think one of
00:14:33 --> 00:14:36 the things i'm interested in is you guys did a show in
00:14:36 --> 00:14:40 the hudson valley and i'm always interested i'm always fascinated by like areas
00:14:40 --> 00:14:44 like catalina you know and the kind of the sheer number of ufo sightings there
00:14:44 --> 00:14:49 where there seem to be geographical areas that have a very dense you know amount
00:14:49 --> 00:14:54 of sightings and experiences there what was what is it about like when you spent
00:14:54 --> 00:14:55 time out in Hudson Valley.
00:14:55 --> 00:14:58 What made that area so unique?
00:14:58 --> 00:15:01 Well, that's a really good question. That was what the whole show was about.
00:15:02 --> 00:15:05 It was like, why here? Why does it keep happening?
00:15:05 --> 00:15:10 You know, that kind of thing. My theory, which is not sexy enough for TV, and never made it.
00:15:11 --> 00:15:15 I think they have like a piece of like some sound bites of me like saying,
00:15:15 --> 00:15:18 blah, blah, blah, and then moving on to something way more sexy,
00:15:19 --> 00:15:20 you know, that like Ben had.
00:15:22 --> 00:15:28 Ben got all the sexy lines, I was just like the crazy Mulder with some other alternative views.
00:15:29 --> 00:15:31 But from a scientific view.
00:15:32 --> 00:15:35 When they first called me and said, we want to do this show on Hudson Valley,
00:15:35 --> 00:15:39 and it's going to be you and Ben and the scientist.
00:15:39 --> 00:15:43 And immediately, the first thing that came to mind was like,
00:15:43 --> 00:15:50 okay, if I was another species or other extraterrestrial life or alien or whatever,
00:15:50 --> 00:15:58 interdimensional traveler, how would I pierce the veil to get to 3D reality?
00:15:58 --> 00:16:02 How would I do that? Well, first I would have to figure, first I would have
00:16:02 --> 00:16:04 to accomplish how to space travel,
00:16:04 --> 00:16:08 time and space travel, which according to some quantum physicists,
00:16:08 --> 00:16:14 they have figured that out, which is, but they would have to use it in a way
00:16:14 --> 00:16:17 where they would have to have an in, right?
00:16:17 --> 00:16:21 And that's, this is where that magical world word in the community comes up, which is portal.
00:16:21 --> 00:16:25 Everybody wants to talk about portals. And, you know, I remember even on that
00:16:25 --> 00:16:29 show, Ben's like, I don't think we should say the word portal because we're going to sound woo-woo.
00:16:29 --> 00:16:32 And I'm like, well, what else do we call it? Right? Yeah.
00:16:32 --> 00:16:37 So if, let's just say we figured out space travel.
00:16:37 --> 00:16:40 I mean, NASA does this today. They're going to launch a rocket.
00:16:40 --> 00:16:41 They're going to make sure all the stars are aligned.
00:16:41 --> 00:16:45 So the gravitational pull from wherever they're trying to hit is going to be
00:16:45 --> 00:16:52 right on target. So if I'm trying to target a location, I would need to have
00:16:52 --> 00:16:55 some kind of impetus to enter that dimension of reality.
00:16:56 --> 00:17:01 And I feel like a lot of people have done research on that, and that has to
00:17:01 --> 00:17:04 depend on where the location is.
00:17:04 --> 00:17:08 So there's some high probabilities of locations that have certain mineral deposits
00:17:08 --> 00:17:14 that create electromagnetic field that is unlike other areas without those mineral deposits.
00:17:14 --> 00:17:19 You can get into granite or quartz or, you know, granite has a high levels of
00:17:19 --> 00:17:24 quartz in it, but there's other components of that that create a strange electromagnetic
00:17:24 --> 00:17:25 field. So that's a theory.
00:17:25 --> 00:17:31 So the Hudson Valley area, this is the first thing that came to mind when they
00:17:31 --> 00:17:33 said, okay, what do you think?
00:17:33 --> 00:17:37 And I went into it and I researched that whole area and they have some really
00:17:37 --> 00:17:45 strange high amounts of mineral deposits and also unique ones at that and also
00:17:45 --> 00:17:50 very strange populations and high densities of populations of different kinds of animals.
00:17:50 --> 00:17:55 So if I'm interdimensionally traveling and I need it in into a location and
00:17:55 --> 00:17:58 that location has a lot of things for me to test.
00:17:58 --> 00:18:03 I mean, Hudson Valley is like ground prime entry point.
00:18:03 --> 00:18:06 And I know that that can't make a whole TV show because, you know,
00:18:06 --> 00:18:09 we need more investigations that are more exciting to watch.
00:18:09 --> 00:18:15 But the amount of data analysis I pulled from a study in early 2000s,
00:18:15 --> 00:18:20 because there was a big concern with the pollution coming from New York City
00:18:20 --> 00:18:25 into the Hudson Valley area and how it was ruining this very strange and very
00:18:25 --> 00:18:30 unique biodiversity that has been created in the Hudson Valley area.
00:18:30 --> 00:18:38 And that location or that paperwork explained that the mineral deposits were
00:18:38 --> 00:18:44 so unique here that they were fighting for the preserve and a new pollution policy with the city.
00:18:45 --> 00:18:53 So I think that Hudson Valley is this very unique place that we've now put on
00:18:53 --> 00:18:55 the map because of that show to investigate.
00:18:55 --> 00:18:58 Is i mean there was at one point there was like in the 80s 5 000
00:18:58 --> 00:19:01 different cases of sightings and abductions and
00:19:01 --> 00:19:04 weird cases and missing time and i mean
00:19:04 --> 00:19:08 it just it's like everybody in every dimension was visiting yeah
00:19:08 --> 00:19:10 i think i think that's where it gets tricky too
00:19:10 --> 00:19:14 right like i i'm you know i open-minded to
00:19:14 --> 00:19:17 all these different ideas but i think for a lot of for the
00:19:17 --> 00:19:20 general populace you know someone who would not consider themselves
00:19:20 --> 00:19:23 like a ufo fanatic per se you know
00:19:23 --> 00:19:26 it's it's a stretch enough to get them to say okay
00:19:26 --> 00:19:29 there's something flying around in our skies that doesn't make any
00:19:29 --> 00:19:32 sense and it's defying the conventional laws of physics but it
00:19:32 --> 00:19:35 feels like a little a little bit further
00:19:35 --> 00:19:39 way to go for them to say okay abductions
00:19:39 --> 00:19:44 are happening or these might be interdimensional visitors you know that that's
00:19:44 --> 00:19:49 almost like a bridge too far for a lot of folks and so but but yet what you
00:19:49 --> 00:19:53 just said about the uh sort of the physical makeup of hudson valley reminds
00:19:53 --> 00:19:58 me of some other areas where we know there have been reports of all sorts of strange phenomena,
00:19:59 --> 00:20:01 like Skinwalker Ranch and places like that.
00:20:01 --> 00:20:06 But they all seem to have that sort of thing in common where the sort of biology
00:20:06 --> 00:20:09 and the geology of the area is sort of unique.
00:20:09 --> 00:20:13 Yeah. Yeah, no, I agree. I mean, we have that in the Four Corners area.
00:20:13 --> 00:20:15 We have that around Roswell.
00:20:15 --> 00:20:22 And also, Hudson Valley, just to do my due diligence, very close to one of the
00:20:22 --> 00:20:26 hotspots in Hudson Valley where there's a lot more sightings than usual.
00:20:26 --> 00:20:31 There's also, at one point, was a top security base where they were probably
00:20:31 --> 00:20:33 testing some things. I clarified that with my dad.
00:20:34 --> 00:20:39 Just in the 80s, there was this base up there. Was there top secret stuff?
00:20:39 --> 00:20:41 He said, yeah, there was.
00:20:41 --> 00:20:44 Okay, so then are some of the sightings top secret, but the other ones.
00:20:46 --> 00:20:49 There was more than just the 80s. There was other flaps.
00:20:50 --> 00:20:54 And so I think what we were reporting on is that it was coming back. It was like in waves.
00:20:55 --> 00:20:59 There's another thing that Jacques Vallée actually wrote a book about the Hudson
00:20:59 --> 00:21:01 Valley. I think it's called The Siege.
00:21:01 --> 00:21:03 Am I correct? That sounds right. Yeah.
00:21:04 --> 00:21:11 And in there, he pointed out, I mean, of course, Jack Follett is like the goat, right?
00:21:11 --> 00:21:14 He's like the guy that reports on everything. And then at the end of the book,
00:21:14 --> 00:21:18 he's like, we still don't know, but I think they're fucking with us, right?
00:21:18 --> 00:21:21 That's like literally his MO, and I love that. I love that guy, right?
00:21:23 --> 00:21:26 Yeah, and I would agree. I would totally agree with him.
00:21:26 --> 00:21:30 You know, at the end of that, like, 2-page book, that's his conclusion.
00:21:30 --> 00:21:36 But in there, he says that there's two time periods during the year in Hudson
00:21:36 --> 00:21:44 Valley over the period of the 80s where there seemed to be a conglomerate amount of cases.
00:21:44 --> 00:21:46 And that was March and it was July.
00:21:47 --> 00:21:55 And I just was like, why? Like, what would be, why would these time periods be important?
00:21:55 --> 00:21:58 Okay, you could say, well, March is in spring. July is in the middle of summer.
00:22:00 --> 00:22:02 Okay. And then you're thinking, well, if there's a top secret base,
00:22:03 --> 00:22:07 they're only doing testings in March and July. You know, like,
00:22:07 --> 00:22:08 that doesn't make any sense. You know? Yeah.
00:22:09 --> 00:22:14 Especially in New York, you know? It's probably still fairly cold in March, I would think. Yeah.
00:22:14 --> 00:22:18 I don't know. But it stuck with me. And...
00:22:18 --> 00:22:25 What did stick out to me is March and July are two significant months in,
00:22:25 --> 00:22:29 I mean, maybe I'm jumping the shark a little bit, but I just could not get that
00:22:29 --> 00:22:31 out of my head when I read that in his book.
00:22:32 --> 00:22:37 And what I connected was, because I read a lot about ancient Egypt and ancient
00:22:37 --> 00:22:42 civilizations, is March and April are actually very significant months for ancient Egyptians.
00:22:43 --> 00:22:48 March is that March time period. The spring time period is actually the new
00:22:48 --> 00:22:50 year for them. It's a huge celebration.
00:22:50 --> 00:22:52 It's not January. That's the new calendar.
00:22:52 --> 00:22:59 The other calendar is March. The July time period is the month of Ra, right?
00:23:00 --> 00:23:02 This is the creator God. This is his birthday.
00:23:03 --> 00:23:09 This is the amount of ancient civilizations created on those first couple weeks
00:23:09 --> 00:23:12 of July are very important to the ancient Egyptians from all the stuff that
00:23:12 --> 00:23:15 I've read and I've written books about it, or sorry, written shows about it.
00:23:16 --> 00:23:20 And I thought, God, that's such a weird correlation that Jacques Vallée has
00:23:20 --> 00:23:24 reported that most of the Hudson Valley cases happened around March,
00:23:24 --> 00:23:26 in and around March and July.
00:23:26 --> 00:23:31 And here we have a correlation between two significant months in ancient Egypt
00:23:31 --> 00:23:36 that have to do with the beginning of their new year, which was very,
00:23:37 --> 00:23:40 which is not just important because it's a new year it's
00:23:40 --> 00:23:43 important because all the powers align to set
00:23:43 --> 00:23:46 up what they need to happen and also july being
00:23:46 --> 00:23:49 the birth of the creator god just thought that was really interesting
00:23:49 --> 00:23:54 correlation yeah i mean that in and of itself is an interesting data point to
00:23:54 --> 00:24:00 notice the trend you know there and then to connect it to egyptians who you
00:24:00 --> 00:24:04 know for anyone who's watched ancient aliens and and amongst other shows there
00:24:04 --> 00:24:08 are some strong connections between ufo activity and the ancient Egyptians as well.
00:24:08 --> 00:24:11 So it's, you know, it is an interesting time. You might be onto something there.
00:24:12 --> 00:24:15 So one of the things I think is interesting, and I'd love to hear your take
00:24:15 --> 00:24:19 on it, too, is one of the projects you did was called, one of the more recent
00:24:19 --> 00:24:22 ones, Inducted, Tom Reed's Berkshire UFO.
00:24:23 --> 00:24:28 First, talk about why that particular case is so significant.
00:24:29 --> 00:24:37 That case is so significant because you have a lot of people that have similar stories of abduction.
00:24:37 --> 00:24:40 And so and they're
00:24:40 --> 00:24:44 well documented by great ufologists but
00:24:44 --> 00:24:48 this one is like a physical displacement of
00:24:48 --> 00:24:56 all of these people in so if anybody listening knows the story tom and his family
00:24:56 --> 00:25:02 his mom his sister and his grandmother are they they run this diner in town
00:25:02 --> 00:25:06 a small town in the Berkshires, and they're driving home.
00:25:06 --> 00:25:09 They leave the diner, they're driving home.
00:25:10 --> 00:25:15 Grandma is on the passenger seat, mom is driving, Tom and his sister are in
00:25:15 --> 00:25:18 the back seat, and they head over.
00:25:19 --> 00:25:22 This bridge which is the center of the story
00:25:22 --> 00:25:25 and once they cross over this bridge it's some like weird time
00:25:25 --> 00:25:29 warp where they are on the road and they see they
00:25:29 --> 00:25:33 see kind of alien ships in the back i mean it looked like you know with the
00:25:33 --> 00:25:36 way he explained it it was like a sci-fi it was like a sci-fi invasion movie
00:25:36 --> 00:25:40 yeah and then all of a sudden they're kind of sucked up into the ship and they're
00:25:40 --> 00:25:46 in the ship and he has this huge experience and then the crazy thing was they,
00:25:46 --> 00:25:49 then were placed back, you know, then lights out, right?
00:25:49 --> 00:25:53 Doesn't remember that they all wake up in the car and they're all in different
00:25:53 --> 00:25:57 positions of the car and the car isn't where they left it.
00:25:57 --> 00:26:06 Now, this is a significant story because the actual findings of the car are confirmed.
00:26:06 --> 00:26:09 The different locations of the people in the car are confirmed.
00:26:09 --> 00:26:13 There's four different witnesses that witnessed the same thing.
00:26:13 --> 00:26:18 So this story is not just something to put into the books of like,
00:26:18 --> 00:26:19 okay, we're creating patterns.
00:26:19 --> 00:26:25 This is an excellent case to dive into time, time, missing time,
00:26:25 --> 00:26:28 whatever it is that grabbed them.
00:26:28 --> 00:26:31 And then of course, evidence that it happened to all four people.
00:26:32 --> 00:26:35 Usually in a group of people, there's only one
00:26:35 --> 00:26:38 person that speaks out about their case or whatever but
00:26:38 --> 00:26:41 i mean tom has tom has really gone to
00:26:41 --> 00:26:44 fight for this because he wants people
00:26:44 --> 00:26:47 to know that there's something else happening out there
00:26:47 --> 00:26:49 and yeah i think
00:26:49 --> 00:26:52 he's done a really good job they've created the whole park they have like a
00:26:52 --> 00:26:57 monument to him and his family and everything like that so it's cool yeah that
00:26:57 --> 00:27:01 that one reminds me of some other cases that i would put up there with the most
00:27:01 --> 00:27:05 credible and and for a number of reasons one of which being what the thing that
00:27:05 --> 00:27:07 you mentioned about multiple witnesses.
00:27:07 --> 00:27:11 And so I love cases where there's multiple witnesses, that the witnesses themselves
00:27:11 --> 00:27:13 are, you know, credible people.
00:27:14 --> 00:27:18 You know, like anytime I can get one that has like an airline pilot or something
00:27:18 --> 00:27:21 involved, that's great. Because they know the difference between a bird and a balloon.
00:27:21 --> 00:27:25 Like, come on, let's not pretend like they saw a balloon by accident.
00:27:25 --> 00:27:27 You know, like they're trained observers, you know.
00:27:28 --> 00:27:33 But anytime where you've got multiple witnesses, and also it's a case that happened
00:27:33 --> 00:27:37 long enough to the point where over time you would look for fluctuations in
00:27:37 --> 00:27:39 their story, but yet they remain very consistent.
00:27:39 --> 00:27:45 So I think of things like the Betty and Barney Hill case and Travis Walton and stories like that.
00:27:46 --> 00:27:49 Talk about like, what are some of your favorites in terms of like,
00:27:49 --> 00:27:52 these are your go-tos when you're trying to convince someone like,
00:27:52 --> 00:27:55 look, this one is pretty solid.
00:27:55 --> 00:28:01 The go-tos. Well, physical evidence is always great because you can always return
00:28:01 --> 00:28:07 back to physical evidence and everybody likes, everybody, when I say likes physical evidence,
00:28:07 --> 00:28:13 their mind can conceptualize the concept if there's physical evidence.
00:28:13 --> 00:28:15 So physical evidence is great.
00:28:17 --> 00:28:20 Definitely triangular triangulating the
00:28:20 --> 00:28:23 case so if there was something in the sky did
00:28:23 --> 00:28:30 the local authorities report it if there was did did any of the local air force
00:28:30 --> 00:28:36 bases not that they would tell us but or you know small airports or any airport
00:28:36 --> 00:28:40 you know see anything in the sky is there any data we can get you know from
00:28:40 --> 00:28:43 even the some of the other departments right so that's another thing.
00:28:44 --> 00:28:50 How many people in the community or in the woods or in the area saw the same
00:28:50 --> 00:28:54 thing, experienced the same thing, never talked about it, had something else
00:28:54 --> 00:28:57 visit them a couple nights before, that kind of thing?
00:28:57 --> 00:29:02 Also, there is a human element of these cases, I think, that is really important.
00:29:03 --> 00:29:09 How do you know someone is telling the truth? That's a personal thing because
00:29:09 --> 00:29:13 we all have biases against people, how they say things, what they look like,
00:29:13 --> 00:29:17 where they came from, their education level. We create all sorts of stories in our head.
00:29:17 --> 00:29:20 But one of the things that for me.
00:29:21 --> 00:29:29 As an investigator is the most important is when you bring something to them about their case,
00:29:30 --> 00:29:37 that that they told you they're looking for and they have a different expression
00:29:37 --> 00:29:46 like one of surprise like one of complete horror like like literally like they
00:29:46 --> 00:29:48 go back into ptsd When you can get that moment,
00:29:49 --> 00:29:53 like something happened to that person and what that is that we are on point.
00:29:54 --> 00:29:59 Ben and I covered a story in Hudson Valley of a guy who had a horse farm.
00:29:59 --> 00:30:03 He was in a very rural area. People had cows and horses and that kind of thing.
00:30:04 --> 00:30:07 And he had the same. He had several horses and he had some cows.
00:30:08 --> 00:30:13 And we were actually at the house where all of it happened. And no one was home.
00:30:13 --> 00:30:16 His family was traveling or they were at someone else's house.
00:30:17 --> 00:30:22 And throughout the months before this, there was a bunch of weird stuff.
00:30:22 --> 00:30:24 Like the guy down the street was
00:30:24 --> 00:30:28 talking about how his horses were really afraid to go in a certain field.
00:30:29 --> 00:30:35 There was like just weird lights and stuff in the sky that wasn't just this guy's case.
00:30:35 --> 00:30:37 You know, weird things happen. You live out in the woods, like whatever.
00:30:37 --> 00:30:40 You got to move on, right? You have animals to deal with.
00:30:40 --> 00:30:45 And this guy's pretty simple, right? And so he comes home, comes home. He's tired.
00:30:45 --> 00:30:50 No one's at home. and he decides to make like something in the microwave and
00:30:50 --> 00:30:52 it's like five minutes or whatever.
00:30:52 --> 00:30:56 He turns on the TV. It's the beginning of a show. He watches the same show.
00:30:56 --> 00:30:57 I can't remember the name of the show.
00:30:57 --> 00:31:00 He watches the same show and he knows how long it is. It's like,
00:31:00 --> 00:31:01 you know, an hour show or something like that.
00:31:02 --> 00:31:08 And he hears this noise, like a tone in his head.
00:31:08 --> 00:31:12 And he doesn't know what it's coming from the TV or the radio.
00:31:12 --> 00:31:15 He doesn't know. But in that instant, he's out.
00:31:16 --> 00:31:19 And he wakes back up, he's in the same chair, the TV.
00:31:21 --> 00:31:25 Remember, he's timed out his show. Like he's had missing time for like three
00:31:25 --> 00:31:27 hours or something like that, because the show's done and there's something
00:31:27 --> 00:31:30 else on, and he's like memorized all of what's happening with the TV.
00:31:31 --> 00:31:32 The food in the microwave is cold.
00:31:33 --> 00:31:39 And he's like, what happened? Right? And he talks about how the neighbors said,
00:31:39 --> 00:31:44 the neighbors come over, like within 10 minutes of him waking up and say, what is going on?
00:31:44 --> 00:31:47 What's with the lights in the field? You're disrupting all my animals.
00:31:47 --> 00:31:49 And he's like, I don't know. I've been asleep. And they're like,
00:31:50 --> 00:31:50 something's happening.
00:31:51 --> 00:31:54 And they were really upset with him that he was like running all these lights
00:31:54 --> 00:31:58 in the forest and disrupting all of their animals. And so now he's really confused.
00:31:59 --> 00:32:02 And there was a bunch of sightings in the sky from some other people.
00:32:03 --> 00:32:06 And he really just wanted to know what happened to him because he had missing
00:32:06 --> 00:32:11 time and he didn't know. So anyway, Ben and I, I'm like, we need to find that tone.
00:32:11 --> 00:32:14 And so we had all those
00:32:14 --> 00:32:18 tones lined up and we got to 432 hertz
00:32:18 --> 00:32:21 and we kind of wobbled it because he said it
00:32:21 --> 00:32:25 was like a you know like that kind of sound and he
00:32:25 --> 00:32:28 lost it like his face was
00:32:28 --> 00:32:31 like it was almost as if he went back there
00:32:31 --> 00:32:38 in that moment like it it was so the look on his face something definitely had
00:32:38 --> 00:32:44 happened to him and to me yes physical evidence is important but now we've kind
00:32:44 --> 00:32:48 of confirmed that whatever happened to this guy whether it was terrestrial extraterrestrial
00:32:48 --> 00:32:50 something definitely happened that night.
00:32:51 --> 00:32:54 And so I think if we would have had more time, I actually would like to spend
00:32:54 --> 00:32:58 more time with him and maybe take him to a hypnotherapist and get deeper into what happened.
00:32:58 --> 00:33:02 But I was, his face was priceless.
00:33:03 --> 00:33:05 He literally went back into PTSD.
00:33:11 --> 00:33:15 That's it for part one of my conversation with Melissa Tittle.
00:33:15 --> 00:33:20 I hope it sparked your curiosity and maybe even raised a few new questions about
00:33:20 --> 00:33:22 what's really out there.
00:33:22 --> 00:33:26 Part two drops soon, where we dig even deeper into alien contact theories,
00:33:27 --> 00:33:31 ancient knowledge, and what might really be at stake in the search for truth.
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00:33:44 --> 00:33:46 Until next time, stay curious.
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