In Part 2 of this fascinating conversation, host John Williamson continues his deep dive with investigative journalist and television personality Melissa Tittl on the topic of UFOs and extraterrestrial life.
In this episode, Melissa unpacks the next layer of the phenomenon — from her research into ancient alien theory and government disclosure to humanity’s evolving understanding of consciousness, frequency, and contact. Drawing from her years as a producer and writer on shows like Ancient Aliens, The Basement Office, and The Cosmic Cantina, Melissa brings a unique perspective that blends science, mythology, and cutting-edge theory.
Whether you’re a longtime believer or a curious skeptic, this episode invites you to question the boundaries of what we think we know — and consider what’s still hidden just beyond our reach.
Guest:
Melissa Tittl
•TV personality, investigative journalist, and filmmaker
•Creator of The Cosmic Cantina podcast
•Former Head of Content and Development at Gaia
•Executive Producer of Ancient Civilizations, The Basement Office, and Deep Space
•Founder of Hathor Studios and Director of The Code (2023)
Topics Covered in Part 2:
•Government disclosure and what it isn’t telling us
•The link between consciousness and contact
•Frequency, dimensions, and quantum theory in alien research
•The ancient alien hypothesis: reexamined
•What Melissa believes is coming next in the UFO narrative
•Her personal insights from years of insider access and interviews
Explore Melissa’s Work:
•🎥 The Code (2023) – Official Trailer
•🎙️ The Cosmic Cantina Podcast
•📰 The Basement Office – NY Post
•📺 Ancient Civilizations – Gaia
•📸 Follow Melissa on Instagram
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00:00:01 --> 00:00:07 From the darkest reaches of space to the deepest corners of your mind.
00:00:09 --> 00:00:11 Welcome to From the Void.
00:00:17 --> 00:00:22 Welcome back to From the Void. I'm John Williamson and this is part two of my
00:00:22 --> 00:00:27 conversation with researcher, producer, and television host Melissa Tittle.
00:00:28 --> 00:00:33 In part one, we covered her journey into the world of UFO investigation and
00:00:33 --> 00:00:38 her work behind some of the most iconic paranormal and extraterrestrial TV series of our time.
00:00:39 --> 00:00:41 In this episode, we go further into the rabbit hole.
00:00:42 --> 00:00:47 Melissa opens up about theories of ancient contact, government secrecy,
00:00:47 --> 00:00:52 and the deeper metaphysical questions that come with the possibility that we're not alone.
00:00:52 --> 00:00:58 And maybe never were. If you haven't heard part one yet, I recommend you go back and start there.
00:00:58 --> 00:01:01 Otherwise, let's head deeper into the void.
00:01:02 --> 00:01:08 Music.
00:01:09 --> 00:01:12 But now we've kind of confirmed that whatever happened to this guy,
00:01:12 --> 00:01:16 whether it was terrestrial, extraterrestrial, something definitely happened that night.
00:01:16 --> 00:01:20 And so I think if we would have had more time, I actually would like to spend
00:01:20 --> 00:01:24 more time with him and maybe take him to a hypnotherapist and get deeper into what happened.
00:01:24 --> 00:01:28 But I was, his face was priceless.
00:01:28 --> 00:01:33 He literally went back into PTSD. Sounds like a future show to me. Yeah, right?
00:01:34 --> 00:01:37 You should, you got to follow up on that. That would be fascinating.
00:01:38 --> 00:01:39 Like, what's interesting too
00:01:39 --> 00:01:44 is I think the thing that you hit on is something that I've noticed also.
00:01:44 --> 00:01:50 And a lot of these witnesses who have very reluctantly come forward is there
00:01:50 --> 00:01:53 is a very visceral response that they have.
00:01:53 --> 00:01:58 And I'm thinking of like some of the guys who were involved in the Tic Tac video
00:01:58 --> 00:02:04 where they their careers, you know, went down the tubes after coming out about the stuff.
00:02:04 --> 00:02:08 And they are physically like crying on camera, you know, like they are very
00:02:08 --> 00:02:12 emotionally moved by the thing that happened to them.
00:02:12 --> 00:02:17 And, you know, I think back to some of the guys on the crew surrounding the
00:02:17 --> 00:02:19 Travis Walton incident who are still,
00:02:19 --> 00:02:25 you know, 50, 60, whatever years later, who are still like emotional about this
00:02:25 --> 00:02:28 thing that they witnessed. You know, they thought this guy was dead, you know.
00:02:29 --> 00:02:34 And so it's interesting to me, like, because it also makes me think of Dr. John Mack.
00:02:34 --> 00:02:39 And some of the study research that he did where initially he was like,
00:02:39 --> 00:02:42 oh, this is all bogus, you know, because for those who don't know,
00:02:42 --> 00:02:46 he was a, I believe, a Harvard psychiatrist, psychologist, whatever,
00:02:47 --> 00:02:51 who started to work with people who had claimed to have been abducted.
00:02:51 --> 00:02:56 And this is way back and was like, well, we'll figure it out.
00:02:56 --> 00:02:58 It's probably nothing or whatever.
00:02:58 --> 00:03:01 And, and I'll start looking into some of these cases and we'll come to,
00:03:01 --> 00:03:04 you know, we'll figure out, we'll get to the bottom of it and it won't be,
00:03:04 --> 00:03:05 have anything to do with aliens.
00:03:06 --> 00:03:09 And he came away with completely the opposite feeling.
00:03:09 --> 00:03:13 He said, I don't think he ever quite said, I think it's aliens,
00:03:13 --> 00:03:18 but he certainly came to the conclusion that whatever these people experienced,
00:03:18 --> 00:03:21 they had a very real experience.
00:03:21 --> 00:03:25 And that was sort of his takeaway and you're like so I see that I see that with
00:03:25 --> 00:03:29 a lot of these people who have come forward with these experiences that you
00:03:29 --> 00:03:34 know again it just lends to the credibility I think I think so too I do too.
00:03:35 --> 00:03:42 Travis case is I think about that case a lot actually I mean it's been analyzed
00:03:42 --> 00:03:43 to death so I don't really want
00:03:43 --> 00:03:49 to get into all those pieces but what an experience to what an experience,
00:03:50 --> 00:03:54 I mean, he's just such a very low-key guy. Like, when you meet him,
00:03:54 --> 00:03:57 he's very, you know, God, wow.
00:03:58 --> 00:04:02 It's just, yeah, I don't even know what to say. What an experience.
00:04:03 --> 00:04:07 And with somebody with such a huge story, like he's not a guy who is out there
00:04:07 --> 00:04:10 doing every single radio show or podcast or whatever.
00:04:11 --> 00:04:14 He's very selective about it. He's very private, it seems. Similar with like
00:04:14 --> 00:04:17 Bob Lazar, who is another interesting one.
00:04:17 --> 00:04:20 And I would love your take on that one, too, because I think early on,
00:04:20 --> 00:04:23 obviously, he came out, was revealed, I guess, in the 1980s,
00:04:23 --> 00:04:30 claiming to have worked at Area 51 and this program that reverse engineered, recovered craft.
00:04:31 --> 00:04:35 And I think he was very easy back then to dismiss most of it.
00:04:35 --> 00:04:38 And he gave a lot of very interesting detail, though, which I think has served
00:04:38 --> 00:04:40 him well in the years since then.
00:04:40 --> 00:04:43 And because things like the hand scanner that he talked about,
00:04:43 --> 00:04:47 like even getting onto the base that we knew nothing about and thought,
00:04:47 --> 00:04:52 well, it's just a made up detail have now been confirmed in the years since then.
00:04:52 --> 00:04:56 And so like more and more pieces of his story have been confirmed and you're
00:04:56 --> 00:04:58 like, OK, now this is interesting.
00:04:58 --> 00:05:01 So maybe this guy isn't completely full of shit.
00:05:02 --> 00:05:08 Like, yeah, you know, and if he's not, oh, my gosh, like what implications does that have?
00:05:08 --> 00:05:14 You know that that's true and then you know why is he still alive yeah that's
00:05:14 --> 00:05:20 a good question you know it's still being rated to this day you know yeah yeah exactly exactly.
00:05:21 --> 00:05:28 Bob lazar i i think he definitely had i mean look we have human opinions and
00:05:28 --> 00:05:33 then there's lots of cool individual little facts and stuff to back back up
00:05:33 --> 00:05:35 our human opinions but i think that
00:05:35 --> 00:05:38 he definitely saw some things and he experienced some things and, and,
00:05:38 --> 00:05:47 but there's gotta be a level where they allowed him to come out with that and not make him disappear.
00:05:48 --> 00:05:53 I mean, it's, do you know what I mean? Like there's gotta be a level of that, that they didn't.
00:05:54 --> 00:06:01 Either some of it did not happen, or they allowed him to talk about it in such
00:06:01 --> 00:06:03 a crazy way that no one would believe him.
00:06:03 --> 00:06:10 There's two aspects to... Let's follow that thread, because I think one of the
00:06:10 --> 00:06:14 questions I had for you is actually around two of the things I think caused
00:06:14 --> 00:06:18 difficulties in the UAP field today.
00:06:18 --> 00:06:24 And those two things are, one, the disinformation campaigns that are surely
00:06:24 --> 00:06:26 out there that tend to muddy the waters.
00:06:27 --> 00:06:29 And so what's fact? What's fiction?
00:06:29 --> 00:06:34 Is it somewhere in between or what? And then I think the other thing that's
00:06:34 --> 00:06:39 sort of new to this generation is the rise of AI technology and the fact that
00:06:39 --> 00:06:41 like, I can't trust anything I see on the internet anymore.
00:06:41 --> 00:06:44 I'm like, this is probably fake. I have no idea.
00:06:44 --> 00:06:50 But it muddies the water so much that it's really hard to differentiate between
00:06:50 --> 00:06:56 a legitimate video or photograph and something that was completely, you know, made up.
00:06:58 --> 00:07:02 Yeah, we're definitely, I mean, we were talking about a fake alien invasion,
00:07:02 --> 00:07:04 like, 10 years ago, right?
00:07:04 --> 00:07:08 But now that's like so easy that this is what I tell people.
00:07:09 --> 00:07:11 I mean, someone just sent me a video the other day about, you know,
00:07:13 --> 00:07:15 YouTuber talking about, this is what we mean by disclosure.
00:07:15 --> 00:07:18 It's about the government. And I'm like, I get that, but.
00:07:19 --> 00:07:23 But I don't think it would matter right now.
00:07:23 --> 00:07:27 Your neighbor who's not a believer and they have all this video stuff happening,
00:07:27 --> 00:07:29 they're going to think somebody just made it up.
00:07:29 --> 00:07:32 I mean, we're really at that stage right now.
00:07:32 --> 00:07:35 So it is about consciousness.
00:07:35 --> 00:07:40 Disclosure is about consciousness. It's also about controlling your consciousness.
00:07:40 --> 00:07:47 And this to me is the big concern about being interested in what else is out
00:07:47 --> 00:07:52 there. are we alone, is such an interesting and important question to ask.
00:07:52 --> 00:07:58 But we are so hungry for the truth that we get bombarded by people giving us
00:07:58 --> 00:08:02 false information and we just eat it up because we're so hungry for the truth.
00:08:02 --> 00:08:06 And that is a dangerous place to be because we're not going to find the truth
00:08:06 --> 00:08:10 when we just want someone to feed our imagination.
00:08:10 --> 00:08:14 That's a different, it's a hard place to be,
00:08:14 --> 00:08:18 but just to want people to do things because you want the truth because it's
00:08:18 --> 00:08:26 going to make you sleep at night is not actually going to solve the bigger issue. What is out there?
00:08:26 --> 00:08:29 Why is it coming here? How are we connected to it?
00:08:29 --> 00:08:32 Because we just really want the quote unquote truth.
00:08:32 --> 00:08:37 So I know that I take a very, again, you know, with the Hudson Valley,
00:08:37 --> 00:08:40 my like minerals and stuff, like just not as sexy, you know,
00:08:40 --> 00:08:43 it would be sexier if I was just fighting and that it's this person's problem
00:08:43 --> 00:08:45 and the government and all of that.
00:08:45 --> 00:08:51 But what if it's something so much bigger that the government can't even control?
00:08:51 --> 00:08:55 Do they know more than we do? Yes, they probably do. But I'm saying like,
00:08:55 --> 00:09:01 what if whatever it is that's interacting with us is so big that no one on this
00:09:01 --> 00:09:02 planet has control of it?
00:09:02 --> 00:09:07 The only thing that we have control of is our free will and our consciousness,
00:09:07 --> 00:09:12 which is constantly bombarded by different propaganda, different ideas of where
00:09:12 --> 00:09:17 we're supposed to do or where we're supposed to put our attention and what we're supposed to believe.
00:09:17 --> 00:09:24 So I just feel that this topic is so important, not only for the people that
00:09:24 --> 00:09:28 have experienced horrific things and positive things with these extraterrestrial
00:09:28 --> 00:09:31 interdimensional beings, UAPs, UFOs, whatever you want to call them,
00:09:32 --> 00:09:36 but also what defines humanity.
00:09:37 --> 00:09:41 I mean, I think what people are overlooking because it's just so much more fun
00:09:41 --> 00:09:46 to look at something else is that if we actually can define what the others
00:09:46 --> 00:09:49 are, then we can define humanity.
00:09:49 --> 00:09:51 And that is just as important.
00:09:52 --> 00:09:58 Yeah. Oh my gosh. And, and it does, it does really feel as if the government
00:09:58 --> 00:10:01 is, is frantically just trying to control the narrative at this point.
00:10:02 --> 00:10:06 And, and, but there, it feels like they're slowly losing control of that.
00:10:06 --> 00:10:08 And I don't know if that's, I'd love your thoughts on this too.
00:10:08 --> 00:10:11 I don't know if that's the advancement in technology.
00:10:11 --> 00:10:14 And now we're all carrying like 4k video cameras in our pockets,
00:10:15 --> 00:10:19 you know, and the fact, you know, the personal, the general public has access
00:10:19 --> 00:10:22 to technology that is light years beyond what scientists had in their hands.
00:10:22 --> 00:10:25 You know even 10 15 years ago and now
00:10:25 --> 00:10:28 the government like it like is kind
00:10:28 --> 00:10:31 of in a position where they're sort of forced to at least partially admit
00:10:31 --> 00:10:36 that oh yeah yeah we know there's something going on and so maybe this is a
00:10:36 --> 00:10:40 good segue into the latest thing of news as of this week and i love your thoughts
00:10:40 --> 00:10:44 on it this this sort of release of information around this secret government
00:10:44 --> 00:10:49 project i think it was spearheaded by the pentagon i don't profess to know a
00:10:49 --> 00:10:51 ton about it, but Immaculate Constellation.
00:10:52 --> 00:10:55 I wish you could see my face right now, but this is just audio.
00:10:58 --> 00:10:59 Well, good, isn't it? Yeah.
00:11:01 --> 00:11:08 Okay. I don't want to get into the ditty gritty. There's always secret government programs.
00:11:09 --> 00:11:13 There have been secret government programs for many years. And all of us in
00:11:13 --> 00:11:15 this space, if you're listening, you know that.
00:11:15 --> 00:11:21 In 2020, there was a big drop of information that was like, yeah, yeah, we know.
00:11:21 --> 00:11:25 And we're sorry, but here's some stuff, you know, and we confirm it's real.
00:11:25 --> 00:11:28 And then the train started going.
00:11:28 --> 00:11:37 And now we have immaculate, we have a word that is very religious.
00:11:37 --> 00:11:42 Oh, yeah. So what are we saying here?
00:11:42 --> 00:11:48 What are we putting into the minds of people that are obsessed with this world?
00:11:48 --> 00:11:57 We are tapping into a religious understanding and we are treating this as a religious experience.
00:11:57 --> 00:12:01 Okay. I guess you could argue maybe it is because what is God?
00:12:01 --> 00:12:06 What is, what's anything that's not human, right? It's, it's,
00:12:06 --> 00:12:08 you know, I mean, we used to say it in ancient aliens all the time.
00:12:09 --> 00:12:11 We call, you know, everybody an alien. Yeah.
00:12:11 --> 00:12:15 No matter what religion it was. Yep. Alien. Just check that off the box.
00:12:15 --> 00:12:24 You have this zeitgeist that's been created around what's not human to be God.
00:12:25 --> 00:12:29 And I would argue that this is a very dangerous position.
00:12:30 --> 00:12:34 And I know that I'm touching on the concept of the words they're using,
00:12:34 --> 00:12:39 but they're very important because they're getting into the heart of people
00:12:39 --> 00:12:44 wanting to feel that they have a connection to this God.
00:12:45 --> 00:12:47 You know, this something that's
00:12:47 --> 00:12:53 bigger than religion, but it's the same a little bit. So I'm a little bit.
00:12:54 --> 00:12:58 I'm just waiting for all the pieces to fall before I can actually give my full opinion.
00:12:59 --> 00:13:06 But my first intuition was, oh, we're going for the religious connection.
00:13:06 --> 00:13:10 Yeah. It felt very intentional, right? Yeah, it felt very intentional.
00:13:10 --> 00:13:17 And sometimes when I do, I just had a movie come out and we repurposed it and
00:13:17 --> 00:13:22 put it out. It was about the matrix and like a code I had discovered and all
00:13:22 --> 00:13:25 this with the universe and how it interacts with us and stuff like that.
00:13:25 --> 00:13:29 It wasn't really about aliens, but it really had to do about this bigger picture, right?
00:13:30 --> 00:13:34 Quantum physics is proving it. The Bible's proving it, right?
00:13:34 --> 00:13:37 Ancient civilizations, like all this stuff, like it's all like aligning to the
00:13:37 --> 00:13:39 same thing, meaning the web of which we live in.
00:13:40 --> 00:13:44 And literally all of my calls were on Jesus.
00:13:45 --> 00:13:48 Really? In Christianity and how, because, I mean, because I did,
00:13:48 --> 00:13:52 I brought up the Bible because it has some amazing information that ties back
00:13:52 --> 00:13:57 into this bigger picture. And I brought up other ancient texts and other alignments
00:13:57 --> 00:13:59 and genetic material and all this kind of stuff.
00:14:00 --> 00:14:06 Because I feel that it's, it touches on something that's beyond us that is so important to us.
00:14:06 --> 00:14:13 And i feel like we just need to be careful with aligning ourselves with that
00:14:13 --> 00:14:19 because we are not lesser beings of that which is in another dimension we are
00:14:19 --> 00:14:22 blind to what our purpose is,
00:14:24 --> 00:14:30 so we can't i i just get that the idea of praising something that's not human
00:14:30 --> 00:14:33 it could be dangerous that's all i want to say,
00:14:33 --> 00:14:37 That would be really amazing. Really positive. There's tons of positive experiences
00:14:37 --> 00:14:39 with aliens. I never want to say it's negative.
00:14:39 --> 00:14:41 I'm just saying, use discernment.
00:14:42 --> 00:14:47 Well, that's funny. I did not expect you to go there, but that's such an interesting
00:14:47 --> 00:14:49 take that I would not have thought of.
00:14:49 --> 00:14:54 Of course, when I first heard the name of the project, I thought,
00:14:55 --> 00:14:56 oh, cute. I see what you did there.
00:14:58 --> 00:15:02 But I would not have connected it. And so now you have me thinking along the
00:15:02 --> 00:15:09 lines of sort of this theory of slow leak disclosure, where it's all slowly being leaked.
00:15:09 --> 00:15:13 We're slowly being acclimated because as a general public, we can't handle the full truth.
00:15:14 --> 00:15:17 You can't turn the fire hose all the way on because we'll freak out.
00:15:17 --> 00:15:21 And specifically, the thing that always gets brought up, it's been brought up since I was a kid,
00:15:21 --> 00:15:27 is the main reason for that is because our sense of our place in the world and
00:15:27 --> 00:15:33 our reality would crumble because then, oh, we're not the only beings that exist in this universe,
00:15:34 --> 00:15:36 you know, and it always comes back to religion.
00:15:37 --> 00:15:42 And so it would be interesting if this was an intentional campaign, again,
00:15:43 --> 00:15:47 along the lines of this sort of slow dissemination of information and slowly
00:15:47 --> 00:15:52 just sort of getting us acclimated, that they would go the religion angle.
00:15:53 --> 00:15:54 It just, it makes a lot of sense.
00:15:55 --> 00:15:59 Yeah. And there's nothing wrong with anybody's beliefs on this call.
00:16:00 --> 00:16:07 And I think in points of chaos, we do look to ancient texts or our go-tos on
00:16:07 --> 00:16:10 how to behave as humans and how to get through the chaos.
00:16:10 --> 00:16:15 But the chaos is happening because nothing makes sense anymore.
00:16:15 --> 00:16:20 So instead of reverting back to something that we think is solid,
00:16:20 --> 00:16:25 we need to really say, okay, the Bible,
00:16:25 --> 00:16:32 the other ancient texts that have been written are all about how we as humans
00:16:32 --> 00:16:35 can live a life with less suffering, right?
00:16:36 --> 00:16:39 I mean, I don't want to get too far off in this path because I know we're talking
00:16:39 --> 00:16:44 about aliens and I don't want to like bore anybody, but this is an important part.
00:16:44 --> 00:16:51 This is really, I think, important part of this phenomenon is to not try to
00:16:51 --> 00:16:53 revert back to an old belief system.
00:16:53 --> 00:16:57 Look at everything as a contribution to something new.
00:16:58 --> 00:17:04 And that would, I think, allow us eventually, my biggest push with all of this
00:17:04 --> 00:17:09 is if we understand what it is or they are,
00:17:09 --> 00:17:12 all of the things, if we really just start to understand it,
00:17:12 --> 00:17:20 it will come into our awareness and it won't be scary and it won't necessarily be a good thing.
00:17:20 --> 00:17:26 Right? It'll be, we'll be aware and we will feel empowered. But right now we're just.
00:17:27 --> 00:17:30 We're just going back to the cave and the drawings and the things.
00:17:30 --> 00:17:35 And so, yeah, I think, okay, so let's just say the government is doing a slow
00:17:35 --> 00:17:36 disclosure, and they know this.
00:17:37 --> 00:17:43 And they know, especially in America, if they go the Christianity route and
00:17:43 --> 00:17:51 they evoke that feeling that they're going to have a calmer presence when, you know, XYZ happens,
00:17:51 --> 00:17:54 whatever that is. We're living in probability world right here.
00:17:54 --> 00:17:56 I'm just making stuff up for the sake of conversation. We'll speculate.
00:17:57 --> 00:17:58 That's fine. Yeah, we're speculating.
00:17:59 --> 00:18:03 They'll have a better response than if they come out and they call it Dragon
00:18:03 --> 00:18:06 Fire Project Number One. Do you know what I mean?
00:18:06 --> 00:18:10 Like, none of that is going to make anybody feel warm and fuzzy.
00:18:10 --> 00:18:13 They're like, oh, yeah, because they're totally coming here to hurt us.
00:18:13 --> 00:18:19 So whatever their motive is, I just think we really need to stay on the sidelines
00:18:19 --> 00:18:20 and let it come to fruition.
00:18:20 --> 00:18:26 They also, I know I have weird connections with things, but when they first
00:18:26 --> 00:18:33 published the New York Times in 2020, the big drop, right? Yep.
00:18:33 --> 00:18:38 And they said, we have 144 cases that we cannot identify.
00:18:39 --> 00:18:44 That we can't, or we can't. Is it? Yeah, yeah, yeah. We have 144 cases that
00:18:44 --> 00:18:47 we can't, we don't necessarily know what it is. You know, and then later they
00:18:47 --> 00:18:51 said, well, you know, they're mostly human, you know, but they came out with this number.
00:18:51 --> 00:18:54 Now, this number is sacred.
00:18:55 --> 00:18:59 This number is sacred.
00:18:59 --> 00:19:03 I mean, I hate to go back to Christianity, but we'll go back to the Bible.
00:19:03 --> 00:19:11 We'll go back to the Vedic texts. We can go back to the ancient Egyptians and the Sumerians.
00:19:12 --> 00:19:17 This is a sacred number. Now, when I read that, I'm like, how ironic that we
00:19:17 --> 00:19:25 have 144 cases. I'm like, are they just waiting for someone to put together all the little pieces?
00:19:26 --> 00:19:28 Yes, I think they are.
00:19:29 --> 00:19:35 They're so random. That was just so random to me that, okay, this is a sacred number.
00:19:35 --> 00:19:40 This is also, you know, 12 times 12, the probability of space-time, right?
00:19:40 --> 00:19:45 Like 12 being, I don't want to get too nerdy, but 12 being the sacred geometry
00:19:45 --> 00:19:50 shape of a dodecahedron and quantum physics together. whether that's how you
00:19:50 --> 00:19:53 traverse space-time, 144, and then you have Revelations, 144.
00:19:53 --> 00:19:57 I mean, look, it's just so ironic that they use that number to say,
00:19:57 --> 00:20:00 these are the cases that we can't figure out.
00:20:00 --> 00:20:02 Yeah, yeah, we're like, oh, okay, interesting.
00:20:03 --> 00:20:08 It is funny, though, I think of, not to bring up, and I won't, politics,
00:20:08 --> 00:20:13 but it does kind of feel like the way that they approach UFO disclosures is
00:20:13 --> 00:20:19 similar in some sense in the way that we look at, and I'll make fun of them
00:20:19 --> 00:20:20 because I am one white men.
00:20:21 --> 00:20:27 And like anytime that we feel like we are no longer in power, we panic. Right.
00:20:27 --> 00:20:32 And so like as a species, as a species, like, you know, to acknowledge that
00:20:32 --> 00:20:36 there is an extraterrestrial presence is to acknowledge that we are not first
00:20:36 --> 00:20:38 on the pecking order anymore.
00:20:39 --> 00:20:40 And that scares us.
00:20:41 --> 00:20:44 So I guess my advice is quit being a bunch of white men and.
00:20:45 --> 00:20:50 And acknowledge the fact that that's okay. I can't say that. I can.
00:20:50 --> 00:20:55 Because somebody will call me something. That's fine. I'll criticize Weyman all day.
00:20:55 --> 00:20:59 So it's like, man, we've done enough damage.
00:20:59 --> 00:21:04 So, you know. But, I mean, it is similar in the mindset, I think,
00:21:04 --> 00:21:08 in terms of any time that we are not in control or in power,
00:21:09 --> 00:21:11 you know, then panic ensues.
00:21:11 --> 00:21:15 And I think that's a large part of disclosure is the fact that I think there
00:21:15 --> 00:21:19 are some people who are in denial that this could possibly be real.
00:21:19 --> 00:21:22 And I think part of that is just based in fear.
00:21:22 --> 00:21:28 And the fact that we have to rethink our place on the totem pole if we are to
00:21:28 --> 00:21:36 acknowledge that there are one or multiple species from all ends of the universe who are visiting,
00:21:37 --> 00:21:41 who clearly are way more advanced than we are, both at technology and consciousness
00:21:41 --> 00:21:46 level, and who have, you know, probably not blown themselves up with nuclear weapons.
00:21:46 --> 00:21:52 And so, like, you know, I think there's going to be, I think there's going to
00:21:52 --> 00:21:55 be a lot of self-reflection that needs to occur.
00:21:56 --> 00:22:01 If, and hopefully this happens, we get further into the whole disclosure thing, so.
00:22:01 --> 00:22:05 Yeah, I think that's a really great idea. I mean, it really is a lot of,
00:22:06 --> 00:22:10 I mean, your words, white dudes at these UFO, UAP conferences.
00:22:11 --> 00:22:15 There's little women talking and if they are they're channeling aliens,
00:22:16 --> 00:22:22 and you know they're like a reincarnated Palladian also named Mary Magdalene
00:22:22 --> 00:22:27 so I just like there's not a lot of so that's why I think.
00:22:28 --> 00:22:34 But it's not even about the pecking order. It's more like, does somebody really
00:22:34 --> 00:22:37 need to control the narrative? Or do we just know?
00:22:37 --> 00:22:42 I got into this conversation with my youngest stepson.
00:22:42 --> 00:22:48 You know, what constitutes being intelligent? And there's all sorts of ideas
00:22:48 --> 00:22:51 of what that is and markers and tests you take and all this kind of stuff, right?
00:22:53 --> 00:22:56 But if you know the idea if a tree falls in the
00:22:56 --> 00:22:59 woods you know it doesn't do
00:22:59 --> 00:23:02 you did happen type of thing and so what
00:23:02 --> 00:23:04 ancient the difference between ancient people that we
00:23:04 --> 00:23:08 are so obsessed with that somehow maybe they had they're in touch with aliens
00:23:08 --> 00:23:11 because they drew them on the cave walls and all this kind of stuff and versus
00:23:11 --> 00:23:18 a modern person man or woman is that they already knew all of this stuff that's
00:23:18 --> 00:23:21 why we're so blown away like how do they build a great pyramid how do they have
00:23:21 --> 00:23:23 all these alignments? They don't even have planes back then. How did that happen?
00:23:24 --> 00:23:27 What if they just knew and they trusted that?
00:23:28 --> 00:23:32 And it didn't have to do with one person having more power because they apparently
00:23:32 --> 00:23:33 knew versus the other one.
00:23:33 --> 00:23:36 And I think that's what the problem is, is that someone's trying to control
00:23:36 --> 00:23:38 the narrative so that they have power.
00:23:38 --> 00:23:43 But that's not how I think we're going to get to the next level.
00:23:43 --> 00:23:46 I think it's really going to be about we've agreed that
00:23:46 --> 00:23:49 we all know and that is that is
00:23:49 --> 00:23:52 going to be an evolutionary step i
00:23:52 --> 00:23:55 think in our human our modern day human species right now that
00:23:55 --> 00:23:58 that is something that that we that'll that
00:23:58 --> 00:24:01 will be very difficult to embrace from our logical minds
00:24:01 --> 00:24:04 and to know because that is
00:24:04 --> 00:24:07 how all those anomalies that you see the
00:24:07 --> 00:24:10 seven wonders of the world were built because people just knew so what
00:24:10 --> 00:24:14 if we just knew what would happen what would happen it wouldn't be about some
00:24:14 --> 00:24:19 some one person knowing or one person coming out in disclosure so i that's the
00:24:19 --> 00:24:26 total change in consciousness that will be the reveal i think yeah it's just
00:24:26 --> 00:24:27 this it's this idea of our.
00:24:28 --> 00:24:33 Obsession with certainty and being able to nail everything down.
00:24:33 --> 00:24:35 And I think that's a human, very human characteristic.
00:24:35 --> 00:24:39 We want to be able to define things easily. And when we see something that we
00:24:39 --> 00:24:45 don't understand and we can't define, we default to fear or it doesn't fit in our paradigm.
00:24:46 --> 00:24:52 And so I agree. I think to get to that next level, it's being okay with ambiguity
00:24:52 --> 00:24:57 and being able to to be okay with not having all the answers, at least initially.
00:24:58 --> 00:25:02 But yeah, I think it'll be interesting. Are you familiar with this conference,
00:25:03 --> 00:25:05 or not conference, congressional hearing that's coming up?
00:25:06 --> 00:25:08 Yes, I am. What are your thoughts on that?
00:25:09 --> 00:25:13 Do you have any insight into, because as of now, as of last time I checked,
00:25:13 --> 00:25:15 no one really knows who's involved.
00:25:15 --> 00:25:19 Yeah, I talked to Lou Elizondo. I think he's thinking about it.
00:25:19 --> 00:25:24 I mean, now his book is out, so he can talk openly, and he has been,
00:25:24 --> 00:25:29 you know, everyone's been reading his book and, but so I'm not sure if he's
00:25:29 --> 00:25:33 dropping something that hasn't been said yet in this book, but he said he was
00:25:33 --> 00:25:37 thinking about it because I was thinking about maybe going,
00:25:37 --> 00:25:39 but, but yeah, I don't know.
00:25:39 --> 00:25:41 I think I get, again, if you can look through the lens of like,
00:25:42 --> 00:25:45 these are all little pieces and you really start to put them together.
00:25:47 --> 00:25:51 And know what's true. I just, I don't know. I don't know what's going to be
00:25:51 --> 00:25:53 revealed. I am excited, though. I'm excited.
00:25:53 --> 00:25:56 I'm talking it up, right? Like, there's going to be some big reveal.
00:25:56 --> 00:26:00 And, like, I think so many people have, like, burnout in the field because,
00:26:00 --> 00:26:05 like, we've heard this so many times that nothing revelatory happens, you know?
00:26:05 --> 00:26:09 Right. But they seem to be hinting at the fact that there will be something
00:26:09 --> 00:26:15 released in that the indication I got also was that it will be some new whistleblowers,
00:26:15 --> 00:26:17 perhaps that we have not heard from yet.
00:26:17 --> 00:26:21 And I think that's, to me, what's most interesting is the people who are,
00:26:21 --> 00:26:25 at least maybe in some cases previously on the inside, who have this kind of
00:26:25 --> 00:26:29 firsthand knowledge of things. And as you said, all have like a little piece of the puzzle.
00:26:29 --> 00:26:34 And so I'm very curious to see who's involved in this and what sort of information,
00:26:34 --> 00:26:37 they're going to put out there. Yeah.
00:26:38 --> 00:26:43 So we'll see. Yeah. I don't know. I don't have any insight on the exact who's
00:26:43 --> 00:26:47 going to come forward, but But I'm excited for new, more evidence,
00:26:47 --> 00:26:55 new people coming forward and really making this less of something beyond us, but part of us.
00:26:55 --> 00:26:59 Yeah, it certainly does at least have that impact. I think with the first congressional
00:26:59 --> 00:27:05 hearing, in a lot of people's eyes, it kind of swung it from being sort of a niche,
00:27:05 --> 00:27:10 sort of like fringe topic to being something that was more openly talked about,
00:27:10 --> 00:27:11 you know, in the public eye.
00:27:11 --> 00:27:14 So I do think it had that sort of impact, at least.
00:27:15 --> 00:27:18 Yeah yeah no no i think it's i think it's all good
00:27:18 --> 00:27:22 i don't think it's a waste of time but but burnout is it happens because we're
00:27:22 --> 00:27:25 looking for the one truth and i don't think we're really going to get it the
00:27:25 --> 00:27:30 way we want it yeah i agree well i really appreciate you coming on before i
00:27:30 --> 00:27:33 let you go what are you currently working on where can people go to step on
00:27:33 --> 00:27:36 top of what you're up to is there going to be another season of ufo witness
00:27:36 --> 00:27:38 that'd be pretty awesome if it if.
00:27:39 --> 00:27:40 God, I wish.
00:27:40 --> 00:27:44 I wish. Ben and I both wish. I know Ben...
00:27:44 --> 00:27:50 Has been working on something to get both of us investigating another story.
00:27:50 --> 00:27:51 And that's all I can say. I can't say anything else.
00:27:51 --> 00:27:54 But I know he's worked on that, which is great.
00:27:54 --> 00:28:03 And then I am, we, if you go to www.hathorstudio.com, so that's H-A-T-H-O-R
00:28:03 --> 00:28:08 studio.com, you can find a couple of our movies that we have done.
00:28:08 --> 00:28:12 Most recently, Code 12, and we have a conference, and we've got a lot of really
00:28:12 --> 00:28:15 cool people diving into some crazy information.
00:28:15 --> 00:28:19 So if you're burnt out of the alien stuff and you want to know how are they
00:28:19 --> 00:28:24 coming here and why, we have a whole mapped out part of the world and the universe
00:28:24 --> 00:28:28 of if there were loopholes in other interdimensional travel.
00:28:28 --> 00:28:30 That's kind of what we talk about. So it's pretty cool.
00:28:31 --> 00:28:34 Okay. Well, I will put all those links in the show notes for sure.
00:28:34 --> 00:28:38 Thank you so much for coming on. Fascinating conversation. and thoroughly enjoyed
00:28:38 --> 00:28:39 having you on. So thank you so much.
00:28:40 --> 00:28:42 It was so much fun. All right.
00:28:47 --> 00:28:52 That wraps up my two-part conversation with Melissa Tittle. I hope you found
00:28:52 --> 00:28:54 it as thought-provoking and mind-bending as I did.
00:28:55 --> 00:28:59 The search for truth, especially in the realm of UFOs and extraterrestrial life,
00:29:00 --> 00:29:01 isn't just about evidence.
00:29:01 --> 00:29:07 It's about expanding the way we think, question, and perceive our place in the universe.
00:29:07 --> 00:29:12 If you enjoyed this episode or learned something new, please rate and review
00:29:12 --> 00:29:13 the show on your favorite podcast
00:29:13 --> 00:29:17 app and share it with friends who are ready to explore the unknown.
00:29:18 --> 00:29:22 And as always, thanks for stepping into the void.
00:29:23 --> 00:30:49 Music.
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